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[OFFICIAL] Bernie Sanders for President thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. DonnyMost

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    She did like, what, 12 events for Obama? And that was a guy she actually 'liked'.
     
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  2. Os Trigonum

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    “I know these donors and they’re not going to give a popsicle to the DNC right now. I can promise you that.” rut roh

     
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    Sanders should not be the nominee.
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    I don't even know why we need an election. We might as well just make the person who fundraises the most from the donor class the president and just turn the country into a open oligarchy and not hide it.
     
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    “COLUMBIA — A group of prominent Upstate Republicans is preparing to launch a wide-scale effort this week to encourage GOP voters across South Carolina to vote for U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders in the Feb. 29 Democratic primary, The Post and Courier has learned.

    The Republican plan to impact the Democratic race, emerging just weeks before the “First in the South” primary, has two goals: Boost the candidate who the Republicans believe presents the weakest general election threat to President Donald Trump and pressure Democrats to support closing state primaries in the future.

    South Carolina has open primaries, meaning voters do not have to register by party and can participate in either party’s contest. “


     
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    ROTFLMAO!!! That strategy makes a lot of sense. Force the DNC into their nightmare scenario and a death blow to any chances come November. If a movement like this starts in Texas I may very well participate.
     
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    "Pressure Democrats to support closing state primaries in the future" is the operative statement. Republicans play 4-D Chess when it comes to politics.

    Sanders beats Trump nationally. This is a play to fracture the democratic party because Dems would rather have Trump than Bernie in office. shrug.
     
  8. Amiga

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    Actually, history AND polls show that ONLY Bernie supporters (and Yang as well) have a good (10+%) chance of deflecting or sitting it out if someone else is the nominee. If Bernie is the nominee, pretty much every DEM will get behind him. You really got this backward.

    Yes, this is absolutely a play to fracture the DEM party. As I said before, that's a weakness among DEM and the REP understands this and will play that card all day long. There is no shame, but power, in understanding your weakness... especially if you act to protect yourself from being manipulated.
     
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  9. Os Trigonum

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    Chris Matthews argues Trump is already maneuvering to face Sanders and to confront Bernie on the socialism issue:

    "Matthews: Trump set up the fight against Bernie — and split the Democrats — with Guaidó shout-out"

    https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morr...et-fight-bernie-split-democrats-guaido-shout/

    discussing this clip:




    CHRIS MATTHEWS: I think people where I came from will like the speech tonight. I think regular people will — they’ll see the schmaltz, the corniness, they’ll see it but they’ll like it. Because it’s all good stuff, whatever purpose it had.

    I watched Pelosi because I really respect her like most of us do. And I watched very — the way she calibrated when to stand, when to applaud. It was almost entirely the tributes to people, individual people. She always felt that was the right thing to do. Especially Juan Guaido. I’m telling you, Trump set up the fight and he laid down the gauntlet tonight about him and Bernie. It’s as if he was following Bernie’s vote in Iowa yesterday.

    And there he is going after Guaido, going after socialism, obviously tying all socialism to the kind we really don’t like, the tyrannical socialism of the Latin Americans like Castro. He’s saying, this is going to be my enemy, great, I’m ready to fight. I thought that was interesting. Pelosi stood up and applauded that. She knew where this country stands. We don’t like those leaders. And Bernie does. And that’s a problem for him.
     
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    All this time many suspected his polling support was really just weak name recognition, and it looks like that may really be the case.
     
  12. jiggyfly

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    WTF dude?
     
  13. jiggyfly

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    So why is Berny not getting a bump by name recognition?

    Why does he have less support in Iowa than he had in 2016?
     
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    Who says he's not? Bernie has name recognition, but he also has a really passionate base. I don't think Biden has a passionate base.

    What are you talking about?

    Bernie didn't win Iowa in 2016? He lost by a hair to Hillary, this time he looks like he actually won the popular vote but might lose the delegate vote by a hair? It seems like roughly the same amount of support to me. If you mean why does he have less raw votes? There are over 10 candidates in the race this time.
     
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    But still below 50% as Biden was a week ago. I love it that “no one” is 2nd place at 25%. Patient. It will change drastically soon.
     
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    Because I believe people understand the answer to "who's going to pay for it all" is ultimately .... "We are going to pay for it."
     
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    My position has been that it will be a brokered convention that decides the outcome .... I stick by that.

    Bernie's gonna get screwed.
     
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    What I am talking about is that Berny got 49% of the vote in 2016 and he can't get over 30% now.

    He is struggling to beat Pete a guy nobody heard of 8 months ago.
     
  20. larsv8

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    Because math.

    10 candidates > 3 candidates.

    If they redid IOWA with just the top 3, his percentage would increase.
     
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