I think what you’ll see now is a complete acknowledgement from all Americans who aren’t in the Trump cult, that there is no faith left in our institutions. The cynical and blanket partisanship that the Republicans showed in this process gives us no hope in government. So what comes next??... I really think the county’s will profoundly have a change this next 12 months. This period of where we are is not sustainable either way. Obviously Trump will do what he can to cheat. Expect all bets to be off when it comes to the election. November is going to be chaos, and we know Trump is going to feel as though he can just not leave if he wants to and did you really see a Republican Party this week that’ll say a damn word about it? Are Republicans here really happy about where we are? Scratch that... of course they are. Blowing up the government by electing Trump was the point. All because you feel you are losing your privilege to changing demographics.
retrumplican senator alexander: trump did pressure Ukraine to investigate his political rival, the House proved that, it was inappropriate, but I don't care. Then either lied or showed no knowledge of history and the Constitution...
Is this like a new iteration on #fakenews? How do you expect to move others if you ignore what is being said to you. Do you really think your joke was funny?
They didn't vote for it because they're corrupt a-holes. Anyone with eyes and ears knows what Trump did. This is such an incredibly pathetic display. This must be what Italy looked like for Mussolini. Just a complete **** show cult.
Is this your way of playing a race card? What privilege do you think that I believe we’re entitled to? Sam’s Club Memberships?
Based on previous posts by Dobro1229, I believe he means that privilege to be with regards to running the government. And you would be losing it due to GOP's historical base being out paced in demographics growth by the historically democratic base. I didn't understand the Sam's Club joke btw. Can you explain that one for me please?
Yes, I think it does matter. Although the result was pre-determined (rigged if you like), the process is still important. Take Garland nomination for example. The GOP could have allowed the nomination process to proceed with a pre-determined result (pushing it past the election). If they kept the process, even if everyone knew the political game of pushing it past the election, there is a chance, initially low for sure, but a chance that a moderate nominee is confirmed in future instances. But they decided to break precedent and set a new one, one that will almost certainly be used by either party in power going forward. If the process of an impeachment trial does not involve considering direct and relevant witnesses and documents, that precedent will likely be used by either party and the executive in power going forward as well. If the process does involve new evidence, even though everyone knows the political game, there is a relatively much greater chance that impeachment could be successful to hold a president in check. That chance likely means future presidents will still have to consider that possibility.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/politics/lamar-alexander-impeachment-witnesses-vote/index.html Such a sad day. First we started off that he didn't do it...now we are at the point where they are admitting he did it but..it just doesn't matter. And oh yeah, the good old 'Election year' excuse that was used for breaking another precedent and denying Obama a SCOTUS judge. Apparently, as long as it is an election year, you can do whatever you want and just let the people decide later. Such amazing logic, especially when dealing with a president that has shown he's willing to break rules and cheat to get re-elected. Seems they forget that THEY are also elected officials. The people decided to give the Democrats the House overwhelmingly so, which it then makes sense why most of the country wants to see a legit trial since the Democrats overwhelmingly won the house in 2016... I know that when there is a Democratic president, 2021 or 2025, the GOP has lost all political capital complaining about what he or she can or cannot do. They have given the president the ultimate power so I don't want to hear whining about executive power from the right anymore.
It probably depends on how well the presiding majority party in the impeachment proceeding can sell to the electorate that the witnesses are not needed and the crime in question is not "that bad". But people committing what Nixon did in 1970s can now be done more easily using the same scenario. Hire the goons, but then make sure not to have any tapes and use executive privilege to make sure no one testifies. Your party will argue that witnesses are not needed and the courts will uphold your executive privilege (using precedent) to help avoid damaging witnesses in the house..And then POTUS can scream loudly about hoaxes, deep state, whistleblowers because he got to keep a slight benefit of the doubt about his true intentions, which is what Trump is already doing and will keep on doing into election. Even without getting the investigation going, Biden is probably feeling the negative effect from the Ukraine ordeal - it is too emotionally charged for people to be able to ignore the fact of potential corruption. A doubt probably has set in. I wonder if democrats could have gone by the way of special prosecutor to dig up the truth. Did they miscalculate that impeachment will garner enough outrage that the witnesses will be called?
Yea. So sad that the electorate is willing to overlook this as a non-crime. Extorting someone for a negative story on a political opponent using national funds is not a crime. My Trump supporting dad didn't even care to discuss it. And republican intelligence committee chair plainly said it's ok for POTUS to request opposition research from foreign countries. It's just so scary that people became so tribal that they lost sight of ethics and conflict of interest and corruption being bad. Something has to change. This system doesn't seem to be working anymore.
No. Demographics mean a lot of things. Like younger people moving in and out of cities. Yes race is a major factor but cultural change is the primary issue as we see with the constant culture war propaganda coming from right wing outlets. Culture is a lot of things. Like the “War on Thanksgiving” or whatever stupid War of the Day FoxNews is selling to its viewers. No not every Trump voter is a Nazi loving racist, but yes demographics include race or racial changes in areas like the suburbs. Sams club??? I don’t get that. Privilege is privilege.
i think you missed my other joke too. It wasn’t to make light of suicide it was make light of the irony that me being aligned with the right did not wish that upon those in the left. The Sam’s Club joke is that the left stereotypes the right as Walmart trash. Sam’s and Walmart are owned by the same family. Guess I won’t quit my day job as an Ice Agent...(knee slapper)
A historical note: this is the first impeachment in history where there were no witnesses in the Senate trial. So the retiring lamar alexander will not be known as a long-time U.S. senator, nor governor, or secretary of education, but instead...
I appreciate that you didn’t take that the wrong way. It could’ve gone different and I almost edited it. I’m too old to worry about demographics. I’ve accepted that society evolves. You are correct that one of the far right wing (Ann Coulter comes to mind) propaganda is the demographic change that is happening. I don’t subscribe to her views but they basically argue that the reason the Dems encourage open borders and amnesty is to change the voting demographic in their favor. I believe the global society evolves and that might be a by product but eventually people will come back to center (or what I think is currently right) once they sort out their beliefs. Isn’t the thing Fox News rails about when talking about Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc. that there are outspoken voices on the left that want to abolish these celebrations? It’s a very communistic thing to do... take away America’s heritage. Its right out of Marx’s playbook. Again the Sam’s Club ‘joke’ was a stab at white privilege for the bubbas. I guess I won’t quit my day job as a birthday party clown. (The joke is teed up for everyone..)
