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Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Jan 1, 2019.

  1. justtxyank

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    I think Biden is "getting stronger" because he's not getting weaker. If that makes sense.

    He's fallen on his face, been shot at by his competitors, failed to raise money at their levels, etc. and yet the race is basically unchanged.

    It's important to view the majority of the articles written about the race by pundits with a skeptical eye as they are largely part of the activist left and they really don't want Biden to be the nominee.

    Watch MSNBC and listen to their guys talk about Biden lol.
     
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    26 days to go until the Iowa Caucuses, but it really does not feel like it. Does it?

    In past election cycles, the excitement and the tension would be building and the media attention would be high and increasing. But not this time, as the Democrat's impeachment agenda and the current situation in Iraq and Iran have taken the wind very largely out of the sails of the presidential primary contest.

    This cannot be what the Democrats were hoping for at this point.
     
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    If Biden did fall I can't see how Bloomberg could jump Bernie. Hasn't been in a single debate, first time running for president, many people don't even know he's running and if they do they don't have a clue what he's for or what he's like.
     
  4. MojoMan

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    He probably cannot. But he is almost certainly the wealthiest person ever to run for the office of President. So that could at least make his candidacy interesting.
     
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    Today he confused Iran and Iraq .... that's not gonna help him when age and mental faculty is a huge issue.

    From where I sit , this is Bernie's nomination to lose - he isnt stumbling around mentally and he has plenty of money to spend.

    And Biden isnt liked by the socialist / AOC wing of the party. They've all backed Bernie.

    AOC - "In any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party"
     
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    Biden is a win in Iowa or New Hampshire away from potentially running away with the nomination.

    Massive leads in Nevada and South Carolina. #1 or #2 in every Super Tuesday state. Has the chance to deal a devastating blow to Bernie by winning what’s essentially going to be a coin toss in California.

    Biden isn’t my guy, but I can’t ignore the reality of the situation. Despite all of the fuss made about his age, gaffes, family baggage and what not — he’s still in prime position to gain a massive lead early on.
     
  7. MojoMan

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    Bernie Sanders currently leads in the RCP Poll Average in both Iowa and New Hampshire. If he wins both of those two states, all of the polls for all of the following states will be significantly altered by that and the rest of the race will look very different than it does today.
     
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    Biden is one point and some change behind in Iowa. Between him, Bernie and [somehow] Mayor Pete — Iowa is essentially a toss-up. There’s a strong possibility he wins. And Biden isn’t winning NH (though not far behind), but like I said: all it takes is winning one.

    Even if Biden loses both Iowa and NH, Bernie isn’t winning South Carolina. Likely same story for Nevada. And if you look at the major Super Tuesday states, he has comfortable leads in just about all of them. California is the real wild card.

    Biden’s longevity and polling prowess is slowly being validated by the base with each passing day of him leading the pack and overcoming scrutiny. A win in one of these first two contests would generate a ton of positive coverage going into NV, SC and Super Tuesday. It would only accelerate that validation process.
     
  9. Os Trigonum

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    this article strikes me as really quite a good analysis of where things stand a month out . . . and comes to similar conclusions:

    To beat Donald Trump, the Democrats will need considerable acumen, some luck, a bit of magic—and, most of all, real enthusiasm and unity of purpose. With the right running mate, Joe Biden could win. He may be the only Democrat who can.​

    https://thebulwark.com/for-the-democrats-its-biden-or-chaos/
     
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    @gifford1967
     
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    Leftist pollster wunderkind Nate Silver - who is widely loved and adored by many on the left because he predicted that Barack Obama would win his races - has developed a new prediction model for the upcoming primary contest for the Democrats (Trump gets a bye to the general election, so the Republicans will not have a primary contest this year).

    Based on this prediction model, he observes that will Joe Biden is the "Frontrunner" in the contest, he is not in a strong enough position to be considered the "Favorite" to win the contest.

    Biden Is The Front-Runner, But There’s No Clear Favorite

    But saying the former vice president is the front-runner doesn’t really tell the whole story. He may be the most likely nominee, but he’s still a slight underdog relative to the field, with a 40 percent chance of winning a majority of pledged delegates1 by the time of the last scheduled Democratic contest — the Virgin Islands caucus on June 6.

    Iowa matters … a lot

    How candidates’ chances of winning a majority or plurality of delegates changes if they win Iowa, according to FiveThirtyEight’s primary forecast.

    {Chart at the link}

    Biden, for instance, would be a heavy favorite if he wins Iowa, with an 80 percent chance of a delegate majority and an 84 percent chance of a plurality. His majority chances would fall to 20 percent following an Iowa loss, however. Sanders would be a slight favorite to win a majority after an Iowa win, with a 61 percent chance, but his majority chances would fall to 8 percent with a loss there. Warren would also be a slight favorite to win a delegate majority after an Iowa win, but Buttigieg would not be (although his position would be substantially strengthened).​

    The article is reasonably long and wonky in the way that Nate Silver articles typically are.

    Silver thinks the outcome in Iowa - the first contest on February 3, could go a long way to deciding who wins the nomination. So if this is right, it makes sense that any candidate that is truly trying to win the nomination should be pulling out all the stops and launching whatever campaign weaponry they have over the next 24 days. I am not so sure that it is as important as all of that, but whoever wins will be a force to be reckoned with for the foreseeable future, that a virtual certainty.

    So if Biden wins in Iowa, then the probability (according to Silver) that he wins the nomination is 80%. Wow, that is high. Likewise, if Sanders wins, the probability that he wins the nomination - based on Silver's "prediction model" is 61%.

    I will at this point very likely vote for Bernie Sanders in the Texas primary on Super Tuesday on March 3 (just after the first four primaries). I am rooting for Bernie to win the nomination for the Democrats, so I hope he wins in Iowa, too. That being said, this 61% number that Silver has produced for Bernie, if he wins in Iowa, does not pass the smell test for me. That is too high. Yes, I am contradicting the leftist pollster wunderkind Nate Silver. While I hope he is right about that, I think he is probably wrong.

    Silver regards Biden as the current favorite in Iowa, despite Biden being in third place in the RCP poll average, behind Bernie Sanders and Mayor Pete. However, to be fair, the margin between first and third is 1.7 points, which is really too close to call.

    In any case, it is now time for the top four candidates and any others who think they have a real chance in Iowa to pull out the long knives and get to work. The lengthy preseason is over. It is go time.
     
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    Mayor Bloomberg has passed Mayor Pete to climb into fourth place in the betting odds:

    Betting Odds (RCP Average)
    36.1 - Biden
    26.7 - Sanders
    13.8 - Warren
    12.1 - Bloomberg
    11.9 - Buttigieg

    Tom Steyer must be fuming to watch his campaign flatline while fellow billionaire Michael Bloomberg climbs briskly up the league tables, just as the actual voting is preparing to commence.
     
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    Bernie is turning his guns on Elizabeth Warren. This is big news, as there has been a bit of an apparent peace pact between these two before now. But just like the peace pact between Trump and Cruz in 2016, it was not to last. At the end of the primary contest, there can be only one.
    Bernie campaign slams Warren as candidate of the elite

    The non-aggression pact between Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren is seriously fraying. Sanders’ campaign has begun stealthily attacking Warren as a candidate of the upper crust who could not expand the Democratic base in a general election, according to talking points his campaign is using to persuade voters obtained by POLITICO.

    The script instructs Sanders volunteers to tell voters leaning toward the Massachusetts senator that the “people who support her are highly-educated, more affluent people who are going to show up and vote Democratic no matter what” and that “she's bringing no new bases into the Democratic Party.”

    “I like Elizabeth Warren. [optional]” the script begins. “In fact, she’s my second choice. But here’s my concern about her.” It then pivots to the criticisms of Warren.​

    This is the beginning of the playoffs. The semi-finals for the Democrats, if you will. The far left appears to have resolved down to Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. The other brackets aside from the establishment bracket seem to have basically vanished. Which is very interesting.

    If one of them can consolidate that support, they will have a real chance against the current frontrunner Joe Biden, who is only averaging about 29% in the national polls. And quite a bit less in Iowa and New Hampshire, both of which Bernie Sanders has held a narrow poll lead in for a while now.

    Warren has been looking surprisingly weak. I never thought she was really going to win the nomination, but the current level of ambivalence towards her and her campaign by Democrat voters is surprising to me. Bernie looks to be peaking at the right time.

    The smart thing for Sanders to do is to try to take Warren out early - and with this move, he looks to be doing that. Warren is going to have to respond, which it does not look like she really wants to do. But this is could well be her Waterloo. For Warren, this is an existential threat to her candidacy.

    And with that, this game is truly on.
     
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    Judge Judy has endorsed Mayor Bloomberg and is out on the stump helping him to campaign in Texas.

    Some of you may laugh, but this is almost an Oprah quality "get". Really smart. Judge Judy has some reach and her endorsement will carry some weight. One or two more clever endorsements by people of this sort and Bloomberg's campaign could launch into a state of real contention.

    Judge Judy: America “deserves greatness,” joins Bloomberg in Texas

    The jury is in – Judy Sheindlin a.k.a. Judge Judy, has endorsed billionaire Michael Bloomberg for president. The television star is even going on the campaign trail with him to plead his case to voters. The two campaigned together in Texas Saturday.

    Sheindlin, like Bloomberg, is 77 years old and a New Yorker. She references Bloomberg’s tenure as Mayor of New York City as proof of his skills – he’s “innovative,” “courageous” and “beholden to no one.” Most of all, she was searching for greatness in the Democrat primary and wasn’t finding it with the other candidates.​


     
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    Elizabeth Warren responds:

    Warren: 'Disappointed' to hear Sanders urging volunteers 'to trash me'

    Sen. Elizabeth Warren said she was “disappointed” to hear that her presidential primary opponent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) was reportedly urging his campaign volunteers to “trash” her and warned against the “factionalism” she said impacted the 2016 election. "I was disappointed to hear that Bernie is sending his volunteers out to trash me,” Warren said Sunday, speaking to reporters in Iowa.

    “Democrats need to unite our party, and that means pulling in all parts of the Democratic coalition,” she said. "I hope Bernie reconsiders and turns his campaign in a different direction,” the senator added.

    A spokesperson for the Sanders said the campaign does not have a response to Warren’s comments.​

    And "A spokesperson for the Sanders said the campaign does not have a response to Warren’s comments"

    They will be facing off at a debate Tuesday in Des Moines. What are the chances that this comes up as a topic for discussion during the debate?
     
  18. Os Trigonum

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    Gallup article on U.S. political orientations:

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/275792/remained-center-right-ideologically-2019.aspx?mod=article_inline

    The U.S. Remained Center-Right, Ideologically, in 2019
    BY LYDIA SAAD
    JANUARY 9, 2020

    WASHINGTON, D.C. -- As Americans continued to lean more Democratic than Republican in their party preferences in 2019, the ideological balance of the country remained center-right, with 37% of Americans, on average, identifying as conservative during the year, 35% as moderate and 24% as liberal.

    The 2019 findings are based on combined data from 21 Gallup telephone surveys conducted throughout the year, encompassing over 29,000 interviews with U.S. adults.

    The percentage identifying as conservative in 2019 was up two points from the 35% measured in 2018, while the percentage liberal was down two points from 26%. While these changes are statistically significant, some two-point changes in the past were short-lived, so it will be important to see whether these trends continue in 2020.

    Regardless, conservatives and moderates remain closely matched in U.S. ideological preferences, as they have been since 2015. This follows several years -- from 2009 to 2014 -- when conservatives consistently outnumbered moderates. Before that, from 1999 to 2008, the two groups were about even, whereas from 1992 to 1998, moderates generally had the slight edge.

    Meanwhile, liberal identification has gradually expanded over the past two decades, rising from 16% in 1996 to 19% by the late 1990s, 20% during George W. Bush's presidency, an average 23% during Barack Obama's presidency and 25% since Donald Trump took office.
    more at the link
     
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    WSJ editorial board commentary on the same:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-conservative-plurality-11578699235?mod=hp_opin_pos_2

    America’s Conservative Plurality
    The share of Americans who say they are liberal declined in 2019.
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    The Editorial Board
    Jan. 10, 2020 6:33 pm ET

    One major political trend of the past generation is the rising number of Americans who identify as liberal. This has led to predictions of an “emerging Democratic majority” fueled by young and minority voters as well as a bunker mentality on parts of the right.

    Yet Gallup reports that its comprehensive 2019 survey found the share of liberals declined, and the share of conservatives increased, for the first time since the 2011 burst of Tea Party energy. This took place despite Donald Trump’s relative unpopularity and polarizing style.

    When Gallup began asking the question in 1992, 17% of Americans said they were liberal, with 36% identifying as conservative and 43% as moderate. The share of liberals has since steadily increased at the expense of moderates, peaking at 26% in 2017. It stayed there in 2018 then declined to 24% in 2019. The share of conservatives ticked up from 35% to 37%.

    The change is modest but bears watching. It could be a blip on the way to a center-left America or the beginning of the end of a generational leftward drift that accelerated under Barack Obama’s presidency.

    The most dramatic ideological change has unfolded within the Democratic Party. In 1994, according to Gallup, a quarter of Democratic voters said they were liberal. That surged to more than half by 2018.

    But in 2019 the share of liberal Democrats declined. That may help explain Joe Biden’s durability as the Democratic front-runner. Candidates like Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren based their health-care and cultural agendas on the expectation that the party’s leftward momentum would continue.

    Pundits say young and diverse America will eclipse the older conservative majority. Yet Hispanic voters roughly match the rest of the population, with 35% identifying as conservative and 25% as liberal in the Gallup survey. Other polls show educated whites as the most left-wing Democratic constituency.

    It’s true voters age 65 and older are the most conservative. Yet they may hold their political power for longer than expected as people live longer and birth rates decline. As the British political scientist David Runciman told the New Yorker, “the central demographic fact of Western democracy is that there aren’t enough young people” to carry the left.

    America’s political complexion may not be transforming as fast as liberals hope and conservatives fear. If that’s the case, then Democrats could be making a 1972-like mistake if they nominate a leftist, or if Mr. Biden lets himself get drawn too far down that road.
     
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    I don’t get why Bernie would even bother going after Warren. He’s surging. She’s fading.
     

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