Astros Staffer's Outburst at Female Reporters Illustrates MLB's Forgive-and-Forget Attitude Toward D

but you don't disown them and put them up for adoption.


listened to a podcast last night, and they said that from his perspective/perception, he might have been telling the truth as he saw it.

 

Doesn't matter really. I dont have to try to justify anything. This just proves that you have to watch what you say around reporters in general and female reporters in particular. Taubman learned this lesson the hard way. When you cross the media narrative, you are setting yourself up for failure and yes, he should've been fired for lying. But just know this, Taubman is a really bright guy and the org is worse today than they were yesterday.

 

Footer under my skin

That could be taken in a way that would make the Astros org fire you.

 

No. what I'm saying is that a decision was made that Osuna would serve his suspension and come back in good standing by her employer, and she continued to voice displeasure about that decision in such a way that ended up being a part of her employer ending up engaged in a major **** storm with no good outcome for them.
Even if that **** storm didn't happen her tweets dampened people's enjoyment of her employers product.
Obesity is a big deal in America, right? You don't see a thin spokesmodel hired by McDonalds to tweet about obesity every time a double quarter pounder with cheese, super sized, is ordered.
Would that be right? On some level, sure! But it wouldn't serve the companies self interests so they don't do it.
Life is hard. It's messy. It's difficult. People like sports to escape all that ****. They want to turn their brains off and enjoy what's going on as a form of escapism, not deal with thorny matters like- how much punishment should a DV guy get? When is it ok for them to be back in their career? What does an organization owe it's fans in putting forward the best way to win vs being a good member of their community?

 

They wanted to be treated equal and now they dont like it when they're treated the same way.

 

I agree with this but since the beginning of time society has also said women were inferior and had no equal rights so how do you square that.

I believe in equal rights for women full stop but then women cant always feel threatened and call out the twitter mob because somebody yelled something.

My issue with the whole thing is that his bad behavior is being used as a piggyback for DV issues by footer, they are separate issues and she has done a real disservice to the cause.

 

You are being absolutely as simplistic as the people saying "oh, he didn't mean anything by what he said" are. She's not helping anyone with DV with those tweets. She's showing her disapproval toward her employers actions. Full stop.

 

My 3rd one (4 years old) is making me reconsider this position.

 

I don't doubt that. I mean, as far as I'm concerned I want Jack Nicholson on that wall. I need Jack Nicholson on that wall. Lt. Caffee hurt a country with his actions in the courthouse. But, if Jack wants to scream about what a worthless marine private santiago is, in open court, and justify his use of a code red then it's on him what happens next.

 

Agreed

Osuna has been a good member of our community.

But hey, let the media continue to tar and feather him. Well, only a certain segment of the media.

Did the media treat the Yankees org this way after Chapman?

 

Astros aren't her employer. MLB is and she helped MLB isolate the PR problem to the Astros. With as often and she tweeted that hotline, I expect she helped at least one person.

PS. It is simplistic. Don't be a jerk. Posting the DV Hotline is only a jerk move against those that have made decisions they don't want to be reminded and haven't remedied.

 

I mean me personally? I square it with my faith and say that men and women were made different, we are all fearfully and wonderfully made, in the image of God, equally valuable and loved by our creator, and we unlock an opposite in our mirror image of God that makes us become a whole as people, while being totally and completely different.
On a less spiritual level I say that I try my best, every day, to treat everyone the way that they deserve to be treated based upon their unique humanness. But that's what I strive to do when I wake up every day and pray "God, please help me not to be an ******* today", something I frequently fail at.

 

Comments like Threatening behavior and and defending DV are just as way off.

Human empathy goes both ways there can be some for Taubum as well maybe he has a genuine relationship with Osuna and ust wanted to come to his defense in a wrong manner.

I have not heared of lockerooms being a toxic environment for women latley, the very nature of being a sports reporter is toxic.

 

you seem like the type that’s tough online and walks across the street at the site of a larger male walking in your direction

 

Did Astros play Osuna each time before she tweeted the DV Hotline? If so, you are lying.

 

I'm aware that MLB is her employer. And it was MLB who made the decision to let her do that. And it's MLB that's suffering a black eye during their showcase event, that would have never happened, were she not openly antagonistic toward the Astros with Osuna.
The NBA thought they could get in business with China and it wouldn't hurt them.
The NBA thought they could get behind social justice and it wouldn't hurt them.
People on the other side thought they could donate money to anti Gay california Propositions and it wouldn't hurt them, or go shoot lions in Africa and it wouldn't hurt them, or any one of a number of other things that causes pushback and blowback for major corporations.
Michael Jordan had the right idea (IMO) when he said- "republicans buy shoes too". If you get half way in on this type of thing you please nobody. Witness the twitter mob wanting JL fired and Crane divested of his team, while pissing off the reactionaries here.
Strange game, this (political activism/wokeness) the only winning move is to not play.

 

None of that has anything to do with you cosigning Taubmam was threatening.

I have no issue with Taubman being fired he was wrong but I think Footer is no an angel in this and saying he was threatening is way overboard.

 

WTH are you talking about I'm lying? I'm not on twitter. I have no idea what she does and does not do on there. I heard her say, on air, that every time he entered a game she was going to protest by tweeting something about DV. It's beyond obvious what was going on there. I don't curate her twitter feed. I'm not going to swear that she "never missed an Osuna appearance to tweet" or never tweeted about this when Osuna didn't appear, but son of a b**** man, she's on the record as saying that she was going to do what she did as a protest against the Osuna move.

 

Footer’s feelings didn’t make Taubman lie. The Astros knew when they traded for Osuna they would get questions about it. If Taubman couldn’t deal with it professionally then it seems like his feelings were what got involved.

 

I've never said Footer is an angel. I've said I'd be fine with her being fired (she works for a house organ for goodness sakes). I'm saying Taubman was, intentionally, at a minimum being boorish and obnoxious and if anyone doesn't see that screaming at a woman (who is smaller and physically weaker) can't be perceived as a threat then they aren't dealing with reality. I know in spy shows and movies and police procedurals the women are all badass and can beat up the men and hold their own and tough as they come. But in the real world a fight between a typical male and typical female will last about 3 seconds before the female gets seriously hurt, and that's the life context that makes a male getting loud and angry (signs that physical confrontation might be coming soon) seem threatening to a woman.

If your wife and daughter got stared down and yelled at from 6-8 feet away I'd assume you would feel like that was a potentially dangerous situation, right? I certainly would.