Astros Staffer's Outburst at Female Reporters Illustrates MLB's Forgive-and-Forget Attitude Toward D

In other words 6-8 ft away in a really loud clubhouse and she felt threatened? LMAO

 

He was fired because the media just would not let it go. That's why. We gave in. Maybe we had to, I don't know. I do know that Footer is a POS and hope she is never allowed near the Astros. I hope to god I run into her so I can word for word requote what Taubman said to her. I will do it smiling.

People need to quit being p*****s. It's not that hard.

 

What in my post was untrue?

Do orgs not have to worry about reporters like Footer? Just because you dont like this fact doesn't make it not true.

 

So what you are saying is that the Astros provoked her each time into doing something to support getting help for DV victims.

 

How about just telling people that work for you in a position of authority to not violate social norms that are agreed upon by over 90% of the population? This really isn't particularly hard stuff.

 

I think I understand where you are coming from, but I don't think there is anything disingenuous. If you want to talk about a hypothetical, let's say Bob Baseball player killed someone while driving drunk. He serves his time and the Astros at the urging of Taubman sign Bob Baseball player knowing there will be some PR blow-back. Now let's say a male reporter had someone in their family affected by drunk driving and regularly tweets information about alcohol abuse programs and asks Astros employees what they are doing to prevent drunk driving. Taubman doesn't like that and the same thing happens. He'd still be fired and rightfully so.

Let's say it was a male reporter who was a victim of domestic violence or had a family member who was. He regularly tweets about DV hotline information and asks questions about the Astros signing Osuna and their stance on domestic violence. If Taubman does the same thing, then he's still fired and rightfully so. That this involved a female reporter is relevant because this was about domestic violence and domestic violence disproportionately affects women. However, if Taubman behaved in a comparable way to a male reporter he'd still be fired. The reality is that the person who couldn't handle his feelings was Taubman.

 

LOL, where in your mind did you come up with 90%? I think the posts in this thread show you dont know what your talking about and pulling crap out of your butt.

 

Snowflakes getting upset about a man getting fired about yelling at a woman and wanting a place where they bully those weaker than themselves are the ones needing therapy.

 

I think you're kidding yourself if you think Taubman would be fired if he yelled the same thing to a male reporter (Get this because it's important) FROM 6-8 FT AWAY.

 

I already said, it apparently happened from 6-8 feet away while he was staring at her.
I used the chest to chest "good day sir" example as a way of demonstrating how absurd the argument is that it's only the words actually said that matter while ignoring the context behind them. I'm not a white knight for anyone here. If Footer got got over this I'd be AOK with this as well. Just like if Morey got fired for his China tweet. When you work within an organization it's your job to "do no harm" to the organization, not to have free expression of your innermost thoughts, feelings, or beliefs at all time and in a public way.
I agree with Morey on China.
I agree with Footer on DV.
Both of them were part of creating a situation that damaged their employer and whatever happens because of that is legitimate and forseeable and on the person, even if they are correct, expressing themselves in a way that makes their employer look bad.
If either of them don't get got then that's ok too- that's an employer/owners right.
Taubman made his employer look bad through his actions, and then misled them into making themselves look worse through his lies. That's a fireable offense every damn time.
In my line of work I'm in sales. As far as my customers know I have no opinion on politics, religion, college football teams (I save the Wulaw Horn for a quasi anonymous board b/c Aggies and Sooner need mortgages too) but I don't go around broadcasting anything that would detract from my ability to service customers (or in their case that would harm their employers) in any kind of public way. This isn't hard. If you want to get along in the business/corporate world then you stay in your lane and shut up and dribble. Do you have to do that? Nah, but if you don't you risk bringing down a **** storm on top of your head.

 

If you did that while drunk and at work, you'd probably be fired. But hey, I guess you wouldn't feel like a p***y.

 

Yeah, right

Go have your cup of latte now.

 

If he lied about it and that caused the Astros to put out a statement saying the reporter was lying and making things up, yes he would have been fired.

 

And you know what? If he'd have left it at that I think there's a good chance he could have gotten through the **** storm and been let off with just a suspension- if he'd have been honest and contrite and the organization wouldn't have jumped to his defense and ended up with egg all over their face.
When my kids sneak a cookie and admit it to me when I ask them about it they get a sideways glance from me and told "don't do that again without asking me." When I catch them with crumbs on their face and half eaten cookie in their pocket and they lie about it that's when they get a spanking, or sent to their room, or some actual consequence for their actions. Same principle here.

 

Next time I see her and I've seen her out and about a few times over the yrs you can believe I will be repeating Taubman's statement. In fact every Astros fan should every time they see her out in public or at the games.

It should become a chant like lets go Astros at every game.

 

IT wasn't a loud clubhouse. It was half hour after the celebration and in a room with no players- This wasn't the height of club astros man.
You are trying to justify that his behavior wasn't boorish and rude, and he didn't know exactly what he was doing. That wasn't the case according to everyone there who wasn't lying to cover it up.

 

Agreed, but this shouldn't have even been an issue if Footers FEELINGS hadn't gotten involved.

 

I'm mad at Taubman for doing something stupid at the worst time possible. I am also mad at any reporter that would not accept an apology and choose to continue to stay angry at the organization at large. Astros made a mistake by taking their guy at his word that he didn't taunt the reporters. When they investigated further and found out he did in fact taunt them, so he lied to them, he was fired, they issued an apology and said "We were wrong."

At this point, I consider the matter over. If an angry reporter wants to keep blasting the organization, its on her at that point. Get over it, forgive, move on. Unfortunately in today's society people would rather cling on to something to be angry about than forgive.

 

Look, I'm enough of a prude or reactionary or conservative or whatever you want to say that I don't think women ought to be in a clubhouse with naked men (or anyone not a fellow player really). It's not fair to either party. But life is what it is and you have to recognize it as such man. It's not what you want it to be. She wasn't a male reporter. People generally still don't get to treat men and women the same way, b/c, well, we are different.

 

Don't mind if I do. I won't hit a woman while having my latte. I won't make any women feel unsafe while I do it. I won't condone bullying while doing it.

Hey, if that isn't your cup of latte, please continue to be a snowflake and let Footer get under your skin with tweets about getting help for DV victims, and about not having a safe place to bully people.