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Impeach, or not? A poll on the current status.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DaDakota, Sep 25, 2019.

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Would you vote to start impeachment proceedings based upon current information?

Poll closed Oct 2, 2019.
  1. Yes

    75 vote(s)
    77.3%
  2. No

    22 vote(s)
    22.7%
  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Member

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    So you want the highest office in the land to go unchecked? Impeachment is also a future deterrent for future presidents. It's far more important that the current moment. Presidents need to realize there are consequences for abusing their power. Senators need to realize there are consequences for being a lap dog for a president who constantly abuses their power.

    If politicians are afraid to hold the president accountable because of fears of future elections or fears that his lackeys might not budge, then we essentially have an autocratic regime and future candidates would understand this and be more willing to abuse their power.
     
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  2. fchowd0311

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    A desire to pass progressive legislation currently with a GOP senate with Mitch at the helm is as unpragmatic as having platitudic discussions about solving world poverty.
     
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  3. SamFisher

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    These things are all literally sitting on the Senate floor today.
     
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  4. bigtexxx

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    This impeachment “story” seems to be turning against the Democrats very quickly. Now we learn that Adam Schiff may have helped the whistleblower write the complaint!

    ...and Biden doesn’t want to talk about Ukraine! This may sink his candidacy...
     
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  5. mick fry

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    Schiff won’t do well in prison.
     
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  6. No Worries

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    Adam Schiff is ... the .. whistle ... blower.

    Hopefully I just out-stupid-ed your stupid.
     
  7. No Worries

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    Trump appears to lack Biden's discipline.

    His 12 year old mind, though very, very large, is letting him down.
     
  8. mick fry

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    Don’t worry that’s a given.
     
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  9. SamFisher

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    I've said this before - I see lots of stuff comparing Trump to a child and it has always bothered me.

    Most children I know, especially those that are very young, possess a much higher level of self-awareness, cognitive ability, and moral/ethical grounding.

    People don't start out wanting to put other human beings in cages to dehumanize them. That is learned behavior.
     
  10. larsv8

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    Seeing alot of meltdown here by the right. Sad to watch.
     
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  11. Amiga

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    Normally plea bargain involve actual punishment and restriction due to the crimes. You are free to go if you give us $10000, from a public fund that doesn’t belong to you, isn’t a plea bargain.
     
  12. Buck Turgidson

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    Late to the party, but it took me all of one click to find this out about your NYT author:

    Christopher Buskirk is editor and publisher of the journal American Greatness, a co-author of “American Greatness: How Conservatism, Inc. Missed the 2016 Election and What the D.C. Establishment Needs to Learn,” and a contributing opinion writer.

    What is American Greatness, you ask?

    https://amgreatness.com/who-we-are/
     
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  13. Os Trigonum

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    again, pretty much the dictionary definition of attacking the source
     
  14. fchowd0311

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    Actually attacking the source is quite valid when you post opinion pieces rather than news.

    Attacking the source when posting news is lazy as in if the news is inaccurate, one should be able to explicitly show what part is inaccurate. If the source is posting their opinion, then yes, their previous leanings and biases are very relevant.
     
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    It didn't take me long to read some of his other writings. He's the verbal equivalent of one of Mojo's cartoons, but with bigger words. I'm not attacking him, I'm dismissing him as a person who brings anything serious to the table.
     
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  16. Invisible Fan

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    I read some of it.

    He mentions inflaming the Republican base... with RBG's seat on the line, I'm pretty sure they'll stop playing dead and roll over to play fetch at the very first Dog Whistle blown.

    It actually pays more for big tent Dems to give a ****, but the ultimate question is how the hearings affect moderates, something the writer doesn't go into detail.
     
  17. TheRealist137

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    They are not even making ANY SENSE whatsoever.
     
  18. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    In our modern politics, especially as stoked by the keep-em-angry media of all stripes, political team becomes part of a person's identity, more than it used to.

    I mean to watch really bad news for the POTUS, it becomes super personal bad news for some people, like a cancer diagnosis or a beloved pet dying or losing a job.

    But it is really sad.
     
  19. fchowd0311

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    Agree. A lot of people have attached their personal identity to Trump. It's how cults are formed.
     
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  20. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    If you don't mind a separate but I think closely related question: What do you think of this Whitehouse and their surrogates repeatedly (and almost exclusively) attacking the source, in any case of criticism? I've never seen anything like it from a presidential administration. I guess it's just an "old habits die hard" sort of thing, but it's not a good look, in my opinion.
     

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