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[REMINDER] You would be making more $$$ if we had socialized medicine instead of our ripoff system

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Sep 27, 2019.

  1. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

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    ......at least, unless you work for a health insurance company or another profiteer.

    Good piece today on data from Kaiser, reported in Slate - why the hell are we paying 20k a year for this ****?:

    https://slate.com/business/2019/09/health-insurance-us-kaiser-study.html

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    These numbers are grotesque. Insuring a single family for a year costs almost as much as a Honda Civic. This fact should be a subject of daily outrage, and probably would be, if more workers realized just how much of their compensation is devoured by the cost of health care. After all, every dollar a company pays to Aetna or Cigna is a dollar they might otherwise be able spend on salaries and wages.

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    If you account for the vast amounts of money we channel into employer-based health insurance, it turns out that Americans are taxed like Europeans, and spend on social welfare like Europeans. And in return, we get a system where hospitals regularly sue patients and parents have to worry about getting hit with a several thousand dollar surprise medical bill if they decide to take their feverish kid to the ER. We get ripped off.
     
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  2. snowconeman22

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    Agreed . The healthcare “market” is so ****ed up it’s ridiculous

    Since this is in D&D I’ll go ahead and shill for my favorite candidate , Andrew Yang , who has said we need to take the burden of providing healthcare off of employers *

    * of a certain size or smaller
     
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  3. Invisible Fan

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    But that's rationing! I prefer the death and misery of others to justify my own slog.
     
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  4. jiggyfly

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    While I agree health care cost are ridiculous its not like Health care would be free under a public system.

    Also nobody talks about the worst case scenarios with a public system like they do with the current system.

    Until you do the right can create there own mythos about the horrors of national healthcare.
     
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  5. SamFisher

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    Good observation, but:

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    And you're correct, It's not like it would be free but it would definitely cost less money


    We pay socialized medicine costs, but we have privatized the benefits to a bunch of vampires.

    We pay for a luxury health care system. Instead we get a clunker that most people hate.
     
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  6. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Yep, 100% truth bomb here.

    DD
     
    #6 DaDakota, Sep 27, 2019
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    Currently the average American spends 27% of their income on medical insurance and medical related expenses. The system Sanders ran on called for a 10% increase in Taxes on the middle class to achieve a single-payer system. Thats an average of 17% in savings.

    Plus, think about the effect it will have on corporations and small businesses when they can eliminate the costs of insurance coverage from their overhead and pump it in to investments and employee salaries.

    Of course this discussion is not complete without talking about the 3/4 of a million people currently employed in the insurance industry. Personally I'd like a slow transition to single payer and let people and employers have the option of keeping their private insurance so that the insurance industries and all those employed aren't decimated overnight.
     
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  8. B-Bob

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    The sad truth is that, when negotiating salary with my employer, the health insurance wedge of the pie is always on the table, and I think that's fair of them. It's been a growing wedge of compensation and it doesn't really do me that much good, TBH.

    Buying good food, going to my local gym, and paying for the occasional yoga class have benefitted my health much much more than the $20k+ dedicated toward my health insurance and my 15 minute yearly clueless visit with my stressed-out GP. (At least in a non-catastrophic normal year).
     
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  9. jiggyfly

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    Most people do not hate the health care system.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/4708/healthcare-system.aspx

    And yes it will probably cost less but will it be better and as convenient for most?

    I am actually for a single payer system but I realize it will not be necessarily a better system for all or most.
     
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