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Maybe, Just Maybe, Bill O’Brien knows what he is doing.

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Mr.Scarface, Sep 22, 2019.

  1. DatRocketFan

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    The positivity squad would claim that u aren't looking big picture. The sht clowney trade is an actual genius move that gives us cap space for future expenses.
     
  2. Mr.Scarface

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    No. We have moved on. The Texans wanted to trade Clowney for a LT. Only team that had one that was willing to listen was the Dolphins (Washington said No). The problem was Clowney was not interested in the Dolphins. He had the tender leverage. Before and after the draft, during the Summer. Without his cooperation, Texans couldn’t do anything. Texans wanted to move on. Did they get less what people thought? Yes. The reason he wasn’t traded before the draft was the offers were not a 1 or even a 2. Eventually, getting rid of him for what u would have gotten without the tag and a little extra (Jacob Martin) was a way ro move on. You may not like it, but it is what is.

    Move on....
     
  3. meh

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    The difference is that the players we got cost a lot more than rookie scale players. Tunsil in particular is going to get one of the biggest LT contracts perhaps as soon as next year.

    This makes a difference for teams looking to fully maximize their roster. Since you are comparing FA Tackle for big bucks + 1st rounder at low salary vs trading for Tunsil and paying him big bucks + old, bad FA at low salary. But I guess for the Texans it doesn't matter since they don't try to spend money the way Rockets or the Astros do. So they can afford to do things like pay Seattle $7mil just to offload a player. It's more the Rockets/Astros fan in me that want my team to maximize talent acquisition since both of those teams do think about these kind of things and both have been much more successful than the Texans.
     
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  4. Nick

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    There is value in paying for a known commodity vs. investing a first round pick on a player who ‘should’ develop, but obviously no guarantees.
     
  5. AKdaDawg

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    BOB is the JAY GRUDEN of the AFC
     
  6. Mr.Scarface

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    Um...No. Gruden has no success. BoB is much better than Gruden
     
  7. AKdaDawg

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    FALSE
     
  8. meh

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    There is such value. But then that's what the FA market is for. If you can identify value that only cost money, you shouldn't need to also add draft picks to secure that value.

    Everything the Texans do only makes sense from the assumption that they are bad at talent acquisition. Which, while true, is kinda sad.
     
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  9. Nick

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    Tackles with the talent level of Tunsil do not go on the free agent market. You either draft them initially... or trade for them if they’re somehow on the trade market.

    The Gaine drafts aside... this roster is full of players who were drafted/developed. Mercilus is the perfect example of “found money”... a player who wasn’t counted on to rebound, but has done that and then-some.

    Everybody should be on board with them doing everything possible to protect Watson now and make Watson better now.
     
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  10. meh

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    Since BOB likes to talk about being from the Patriots and all that, what did the Patriots have to give up to get a tackle of Trent Brown's caliber?
     
  11. Nick

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    This franchise was obsessed with the “Patriots way” long before BOB was hired.
     
  12. Ottomaton

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    Unfortunately, the after effects between Clowney and Tunsil will be with us for the next four or five years.

    In a couple of seasons when we are capped out and unable to add any players, I'm sure you'll be looking around saying, "Gosh, nobody could have seen this coming."
     
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  13. meh

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    Patriots aren't the only team that can put together a decent offensive line without resorting to trading away all their 1st round picks. Every team with good scouting and development staffs don't have to resort to being the Texans in trading away all their picks for a single tackle.
     
  14. Hey Now!

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    A 3rd round pick; but Trent Brown is no Laremy Tunsil. He was an OK (right) tackle, displaced by a draft pick (he was literally traded during the draft). Again, people need to really stop holding the Patriots up as the standard. They can take flyers and risks because their infrastructure is so gosh-darn strong and they have the greatest coach in professional sports history and the greatest QB of all-time.
     
  15. DatRocketFan

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    Why should we? We have our hc trying to copy the "patriot way" and is failing pretty badly. Y should we use a different grade standard?
    No one told BoB to copy the patriot way....
     
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    They have a good offensive line because their QB is elite at avoiding sacks.
     
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  17. meh

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    In that case maybe the Texans could have hired a Patriots coordinator, maybe someone with the reputation of helping Brady and being a QB whisperer, and that person can help our QBs avoiding sacks.
     
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  18. DatRocketFan

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    Being elite at avoiding sacks doesn't correlate with a good offensive line. Being elite at avoiding sacks can hide the weakness of the offensive line, but it doesn't make the oline good.

    Same as a good oline doesn't = a qb is elite at avoiding sack.
    If a qb never got sack because the oline was so dominant, does it also means he's elite at avoiding sacks? Fk no.
     
  19. ipaman

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    Patriots are also the only team that have Tom Brady. You know the likely the GOAT QB.

    What type of impact do you think the GOAT QB has on the performance of his OL?
     
  20. meh

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    What is your opinion of DeShaun Watson at QB? Is he not good or something?
     

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