I guess it is OPEN SEASON to kill black men in America...no one seems to care.

He didn't die from the choke hold

He didn't move from a spot he gad already been arrested in when asked to.

When trying to cuff him aftwr not moving he starts waving his hands in defense. That will usually get you knocked upset your hard ass head

I don't what you guys are seeing in that video but thats really what happened

How long should they give him to be defensive

Good lord

 

@fchowd0311

In all seriousness, at least you can admit he was waving his hands. Liberal media has totally ignored it

 

Is it accurate to say that in all probability the choke hold led to his death?

 

Yes thats what the medical examiner said. He caused the altercation and it caused stress on him and his heart couldn't handle it.


But people bave to accept it. I don't want any kids especially black ones to think he is innocent. He should have just moved but when refusing he definitely can't be defensive

 

Have these incidents became more rare since the orange man took office?

 

Yes, we know Garner was not choked to death. He died of cardiac arrest brought on by trauma to his neck and chest from a chokehold combined with his asthma and weight issues. One of many reasons why the practice was prohibited.

 

Donny

Every time this story hits the news they say choked to death. Thats why i stress he wasn't choked to death. I do agree with your poat though but the media doesn't even talk about his health

 

It's like a police officer pushing your car off the road because you didn't pull over immediately when they put their lights on (for something as benign as a minor traffic violation).

That's a very dangerous practice and should only be used in dire circumstances.

This was a case of poor escalation management and in greater part a fault of the dumb and wrong "broken windows" policing system.

 

I would appreciate you providing a link or video of a credible news outlet saying Garner was choked to death.

The closest I think you will find is "fatal choking", which is technically correct, as the choking led to the death.

 

Bro i cant access old television news transripts Dont need to lie to make my point. They said choked to death. Believe me i was surprised also

Show me "fatally choking" and really whats the difference?

 

If you're referencing years old media then your point is pretty much worthless.

Besides, you said:

So, you should be able to produce something.

I'm guessing you're either mis-remembering or misunderstanding the reporting. Probably a little of both.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/daniel-pantaleo-eric-garner-nypd/index.html

ctrl + f + "fatal"

Anyway. The difference is "choked to death" means that someone was asphyxiated. "Fatally choked" means they died as a result of the choking.

Ex. "Shot to death" would describe someone who was shot multiple times, or shot in the head. "Fatally shot" would be more apt to describe someone who was shot, then died as a result of the wound (blood loss, organ failure, etc).

 

@pgabriel argument is like saying that if someone tripped a old fragile lady and paralyzed her from the waste down, you can't put much blame on the tripper because the old lady already had fragile bones and a healthy human would be able to not become paralyzed from falling from a trip.

 

Dying of a wound is different. To accurately report the story would mean saying his body couldn't handle any extra stress.

 

Did the lafy cause the tripping. Garner forced any extra stress by not moving when asked. If he moved his fat asd he would be alive

 

Imagine thinking it's acceptable to take someone down to the ground and wrap their arms around their neck and squeeze into someone's throat because "they didn't move". Imagine the type of scumbag that person is to think that is morally justifiable.

 

Bro its not why he died. Any physical stress caused by him forcing the police to move him could have killled him.

Its not the choke its the physical activity

 

So now you are a medical expert?

 

The physical activity of slamming someone to the ground and squeezing their neck...

Sure, just like shoving an old lady to the ground and she fractures her hips and is wheelchair bound for the rest of her life. The old age and bone decay is what actually led to her being on a wheelchair. The shove to the ground is just background noise.

 

Dunno, do some research and let me know. I would hope there would be some improvements in police/civilian protocol.

 

Bto

You already admitted he was being defensive.

At that point cops do do whats necessary which involves not nice force