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[POLL] Do you think Kavanaugh is a sex offender?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Astrodome, Sep 26, 2018.

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Do you think Kavanaugh is a sex offender?

  1. Yes

    50.9%
  2. No

    33.5%
  3. Waiting for testimony

    19.1%
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  1. mick fry

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  2. DonnyMost

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    "Body Language Analyst" is a profession in the same way "Psychic Mind Reader" is a profession.

    Where's Miss Cleo with her hot take?

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  3. juicystream

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    I don't know she's telling the truth (I don't think she is lying, but for something so long ago I could easily see it being mistaken identity, and of course lying is a possibility). That is why I'm not in here saying I hope Judge Kavanaugh gets his. I really have no idea.

    If you said, if she's lying, or assuming she's lying, I wouldn't have a problem.
     
  4. TheresTheDagger

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    You're aware the FBI, CIA and most other law enforcement interrogators use Body Language in the course of their investigations right?

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    https://www.targetsolutions.com/company-blog/reading-body-language-for-law-enforcement/
    https://lawenforcementlearning.com/course/deception-for-law-enforcement/

    Maybe you are just that ignorant?
     
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  5. Nook

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    Body language is not admissible in a court of law and it is one of a number of tools that law enforcement uses.

    It is certainly not anywhere close to foolproof.
     
  6. DonnyMost

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    You are aware that there is zero scientific basis for this, right?

    Even the "professional" he is citing says as much, in addition to offering no "credentials" (which is probably because there is no "credential" for a joke non-science that won't itself be a joke).

    Law enforcement can use whatever tactics they like to make their subjective valuations in pursuit of an investigation, but it doesn't mean it is evidence based or anywhere near sturdy enough to convict someone upon. Though we do use horribly shaky stuff like dental forensics and polygraph tests which are basically as reliable as a coin toss, but that is hardly a justification for believing *more* psuedo science like "body language analysis".

    People who buy into this stuff are doing so because it reinforces their pre-conceived conclusions. You got duped. It happens.
     
  7. TheresTheDagger

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    Great. Lay out your rock solid evidence that Blasey Ford was honest and accurate in her accusations. Since you're making the claim I'm the one who got duped, it must be very easy to prove.

    Oh what's that? It's just your opinion? You don't actually have rock solid evidence?

    Gotcha.
     
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  8. DonnyMost

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    The burden of proof is on you.

    You are positing evidence that has no scientific or factual basis.

    You have to fill in that gap, not me.
     
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    And?

    I wasn't the one making the case its this close to "Miss Cleo". I guess by inference the CIA, FBI and Law enforcement interrogators also use Miss Cleo right?
     
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    The burden of proof was on Blasey Ford which is why her ridiculous POLITICAL accusations were unfounded and unproven and why Kavanaugh is on the Supreme Court.
     
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    You're citing some anonymous dipshit on Youtube.

    That's about as close to Miss Cleo as I can imagine.
     
  12. BruceAndre

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    YouTube is the new media, for better and worse.
     
  13. DonnyMost

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    I agree the burden of proof was on her. However, in your attempt to discredit her, the burden of proof to legitimize "body language analysis" is on you.
     
  14. BruceAndre

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    You're leaving out an important (and to my mind, likely) possibility -- she's BSC, and lives in a fantasy world.
     
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  15. TheresTheDagger

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    Let me see if I got this straight.

    1. You're the one making the accusation about body language analysis is nothing but pseudo science on par with Miss Cleo.

    2. I've ALREADY shown its in use daily by credible law enforcement and govt agencies.

    3. But its not up to you to prove YOUR allegations? Its up to me to disprove them?

    Sure pal. Whatever you say.
     
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    1. I am no more "accusing" "body language analysis" of being pseudo science any more than I can "accuse" water of being wet or "accuse" the sky of being blue. "Body language analysis" has no empirical evidence to back it up. It has absolutely no scientific or factual basis. This is a fact you cannot avoid. I do not have to "accuse" it of anything, on the other hand, you need to provide the evidence to support it (of which you have done very little).

    2. You've done nothing but make an appeal to authority. "Some law enforcement agencies use it some of the time" is not evidence of its efficacy. This is further evidenced by the fact that it does not hold in court. Going even further, you are neglecting to acknowledge the total lack of credentials and completely anonymity of the creator of the video itself. So, to recap, you are putting your chips in on a totally random person with no known expertise in a field with zero claim to validity.

    3. Yes, the burden of proof remains with you to prove that "body language analysis" is anything more than entertainment value level dart-throwing. Given that the entire body of human knowledge is disagreeing with you, I'd say you've set up quite the task for yourself. Or, you could just say "yeah, I guess this probably isn't what I thought it was and I was a bit too eager to agree with someone who was being critical of Ford because I wanted to believe what I was hearing." That would be the much quicker and less painful way out of this.
     
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  17. Nook

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    All three have used polygraphs, EMDR, bitemark and microscopic hair analysis long after it was discredited by the scientific community. FWIW the FBI and CIA no longer teach body language as a science. It is treated as a tool for quick and rapid detection and not anything more.

    It is on its way to being a discredited pseudo science like many before it.
     
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    pretty sure this must be proof of Ginsburg's senility . . . either that or she didn't get the memo

     
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  19. Amiga

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    It’s good to hear that.

    I think it further proof that close interaction is important and we shouldn’t forget that. That direct human interaction with coworker also tend to subdue and forgive past horrible behaviors (not a bad thing). And that views toward others over the internet is easily bias toward the extreme. Like an either or false conclusion here.
     
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    Kavanaugh accused of more unwanted sexual contact by former classmate: report
    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...l-contact-by-former?__twitter_impression=true



     

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