So many people don't know history, and can't see the parallels between the rise of Hitler and what is going on in this country.... We are empowering the ignorant and stupid to act out and not care - whereas before they were basically told to shut up as their views were ignorant and stupid. Ignorant and stupid need to be dealt with accordingly not celebrated. DD
He's actually said it about 50 times this week, any time Trump is marginally involved or related. And there is a big difference between crossing the street because of someone's appearance and crossing the street because someone is aggressively yelling political slogans at you because of your skin color. But I'll be sure to tell her that you told her to just buck up. I'm sure that will be well recieved. I have a feeling if it was someone you knew you might feel a little differently. Maybe that's what is going on. You guys are upset because Antifa is curb stomping your family and friends. Buy who cares if a few beaners get hurt?
I literally just posted that the KKK, Neo Nazis etc have a longer and more vile history than ANTIFA. You arguing that’s not what I meant is just arguing for the sake of arguing. And yes ANTIFA is a terrorist group. Using violence or the threat of violence to get someone or a group of people to act a certain was is an act of terrorism. ANTIFA basically hates anyone on the political right. They are a political hate group. That is not really a debate and seems pretty obvious.
You make some great points here. Especially on white nationalism’s push to segregate institutionally and or the extreme case of genocide. I think the goal in 2019 though is more about institutional segregation because genocide is typically bad politics believe it or not. That might change in 2020 though who knows. Antifa is the boogeyman in 2019 mostly because in 2019 white supremecists have a much larger microphone than they had in 2014. The perceived war against Antifa communists is pulled directly from the pages of their Nazi propaganda pre WW2. That’s just a fact. I don’t see Antifa and know who they are. I understand the ideology of fighting fascism, but I just don’t see any real power behind them like I do with other organizing bodies which is why I think Antifa is a useful tool to bring back in the daily conversation to try and blanket all of these other left wing activist groups under and prosecute a case against for political power. But the agenda is objectively the same as it was in 2014 with BLM IMO. Only now the goal is to equate all groups under a blanket and confuse under a cloud. Of course BLM and Antifa aren’t the same at all... that’s the point. The most alarming thing to me which I’ve continued to say here is that in 2019, there is real power that these white nationalist groups have through channels that feed directly into the White House which can order Bill Barr to go after not just Antifa (F them whoever they are) as an organization, but to then use the power of the DOJ to go after other groups they can associate with Antifa even under dubious terms. Essentially cutting the legs under the lefts ability to mobilize at the grass roots level like we saw during Trumps push to take away Healthcare from millions of Americans. Apart from institutionalizing segregation, I certainly think there is a real lust for seizing immediate power while they have it. This is a segment of our population drunk on power and trying to buy the whole bottle before the bar closes.
The most incompetent terrorist group in American history. 0 deaths. Gotta pump up those numbers! On a serious note, I KNOW that you don't wake up in the morning, follow your morning routine and commute worrying about ANTIFA raiding your car, shooting up your workplace or place of worship if you are religious. You only care about it here. I have to worry about white supremacists outside of this poo flinging environment on the internet. That's the difference between your concern trolling and genuine concern.
It’s funny, I make literally post trying to explain that one group has a longer and more vile group than the other and people scream false equivalency. What is ironic is that many of the same people screaming false equivalency here are agreeing with AOC comparing the detention centers on the boarder to Nazi Concentration Camps.
Evil? No. Do I disagree with their methods? Yes. Their instances of violence should be dealt with by law enforcement if they break the law. Do they pose a serious threat to the general public? No, not really.
I would like to add “local” to law enforcement as well. We cannot allow main DOJ to step in here as I’ve noted before the connections now in the White House to the movement causing Antifa to become a household name again in 2019. The Portland mayor in particular needs to wake the F up here and get a grip on what these far right groups are trying to do and why they keep going back to your city in particular.
Concentration camps. Not Nazi concentration camps. Concentration camps existed outside the sphere of Nazis and yes, Jewish people who have lived through the Holocaust have stated that there are early signs of fascism in this country. Also do a proper investigation on the rioters wearing masks. As in take the time to look into their background. There have already been instances of right wing trolls impersonating Antifa online. Wouldn't surprise me if many of these Antifa rioters are nothing but trolls.
Yes I did. They are an organized group that tries to terrorize people into doing what they want them to do. I don’t really think there is any debate about their tactics.
Do you know their ideologies? Their core message? I don't. I think it's some mishmash of pure communism and anarchism which makes no sense. Know anyone posting here or any actual liberals who are die hard communists who want to completely eliminate the free market? I do know posters and several peers in real life who agree with all the rhetoric stoping short of using actual violence in those manifestos from right wing terrorists who actually murder people.
They attacked and sent Andy Ngo to the hospital because they disagree with some of his political ideologies. Mr Ngo was doing nothing more than recording the demonstration. They terrorized Tucker Carlson’s wife and child late at night while they were alone just because they disagree with his political ideology. Tucker nor his family has ever attached ANTIFA. Those are evil acts.
There is really nothing i disagree with here... The real threat here as always has been that there are people in power that agree with their ideology. Whether it's just a congressman or a president, they have people that seem sympathetic to their cause in power and the fear that we all should have is...what happens when/if their power is taken away? What happens if Warren wins the presidency and Trump must leave office? You are right about the power thing, I've always felt like 2016 election was one last grasp to hang on to power, to keep the status quo, to stop the tides of change that the country was going through...
Yup. If you want to equate white nationalism that has accrued hundred of deaths in the US, it absolutely is. The debate here is not whether Antifa is "bad". It's their prevelence and actual threat to society. Outside of political junkies debates we have here, have you ever been concerned with Antifa? I've been confronted by white nationalist to my face and family members who have been harrassed. Outside of highly publicized protests that you can easily avoid, have you had confrontations with Antifa? Are you genuinely worried about them on your commute to work or place of worship etc? How do I avoid white supremacists harassing someone like my mother in the US? Have her stay indoors? I think the people who state to be worried about white nationalism are more sincerely concerned than people who talk about being concerned about Antifa. For me, I've experienced the negative effects of white nationalism. So I guess im a biased arbiter here as it's personal with me.
