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Official: Kamala Harris for President thread

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  1. Major

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    I agree she's a waste of time, but I think DNC handled this well. I like Bullock,but he had the same opportunity to be on stage that she did - he couldn't get either the donors or the poll numbers she did. That's a credit to her campaign or a failure on his, but either way, I think all we can ask for is a fair and reasonable process. The requirements were known well in advance and he couldn't pass a really low threshold. I thought his whining about the fairness of the process was ridiculous.
     
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    Someone thought this was a good idea.
     
  3. Deckard

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    I would just like to point out that Williamson is a best selling author from California, the country’s most populated and arguably most progressive state. Bullock is governor of Montana, one of our least populated states, and little known until recently. I don’t know if I would describe his complaints about “the process” as “whining.” I think that’s an unfair description. Was Bernie Sanders complaining about the “process” in 2016 “whining?”

    To be clear, I’m not pushing Bullock as a candidate, but he’s right when he says he’s gotten a lot of progressive ideas through the legislature in Montana, a very Republican state. I would have liked to have heard his responses to the same questions others were asked on that stage. What I would have liked more would have been fewer candidates there, each given more time to answer questions and respond to the other candidates. The efforts of some to talk over others in a desperate attempt to grab the spotlight in the limited time allowed wasn’t pretty, and wasn’t helpful for the “process,” in my opinion.

    Meanwhile, we have trump hamming it up with his best buddies, those he has the most affinity for, the brutal dictators trump gleefully joined in making fun of the mainstream press. The press either brutally suppressed or controlled by the state in those countries. It gave the world a picture of our country that will be hard to erase once trump is out of office.
     
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  5. adoo

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    no,
    it just shows that Kamala Harris did a lot more debate prep than Biden​
     
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  6. glynch

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    Got to agree with Major on this one.
     
  7. amaru

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    Lol those narratives are so dumb. There are many “African Americans” who aren’t actually African Americans. AA is a catch all phrase for anybody of discernible African ancestry in the US. People are attempting to get AAs not to vote for Harris because she’s a 2nd generation immigrant. Most black Americans don’t really care about such distinctions. You’d be surprised how many people you consider “African American” aren’t actually African American
     
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    anti-Harris movement gelling after Kamala beat up on an old man during the debate:

    ‘Her ambition got it wrong about Joe’: Harris faces debate backlash
    Biden supporters lash out against Kamala Harris.
    By NATASHA KORECKI and CARLA MARINUCCI

    06/30/2019 06:33 PM EDT
    Updated 06/30/2019 07:00 PM EDT

    SAN FRANCISCO — Kamala Harris might be reveling in her sudden burst of attention after roasting Joe Biden over racial issues on the debate stage last week, but a backlash is already brewing.

    Biden supporters and Democrats who have attended the former vice president’s events in the days after the first nationally televised debate, are describing Harris’ assault on Biden as an all-too-calculated overreach after she knocked him on his heels in a grilling over busing and his remarks on segregationist senators.

    “She played low ball, which was out of character. And he didn’t expect it, nor did I,” said Lee White, a Biden supporter who attended his remarks at the Jesse Jackson Rainbow PUSH Coalition. “She should not have gone that route. She’s much too intelligent, she’s been able to be successful thus far, why do you have to do that.”

    One major Biden supporter from California who declined to be named for publication said Harris’ direct attack on Biden was a mistake that would haunt her.

    “It’s going to bite her in the ass,” the supporter noted. “Very early on there was buzz … Biden-Kamala is the dream ticket, the best of both worlds.’’
    more at the link
    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/30/kamala-harris-joe-biden-2020-1391212
     
  9. SamFisher

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    Remember when Obama wasn't black enough and Hillary was going to get all the black votes because of Arkansas and Bill.

    Good times! (not the show)
     
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    I agree with this she did overreach and it's a nothing topic.

    I can definitely see a backlash if she continues to keep talking about it.
     
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    What exactly does this have to do with anything?

    Harris is nothing like Obama and he definitely had to work and win over the black vote.

    Talking about busing will not do it, especially with older voters who don't have fond memories of busing.
     
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    this is merely an opinion expressed by two reporters.

    they have no metrics to support their claim of "backlash"

    perhaps they've intentionally ignored the latest poll #, as of 1 july 2019, as reported by CNN's Jake Tapper,
    capturing the trend from May to Jun.

    • Biden has fallen ` 10%, but still leads at 22%
    • Harris has risen ~10%, leapfrogging Sanders and Warren to 2nd place @ 17%
    this measurable trend blows the convenient / unsubstantiated claim of "backlash" out of water







     
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    Kamala not being black enough is not the real issue. The real issue that she is a phony progressive who does have the acting skills to play one.
    Kamala is basically a black Biden who shape shifts to play to whatever is popular. Back in the day she ran as a lockem up DA to beat the progressive DA in San Francisco. She is sharp, but always mishears questions to dodge the issue when the wind is not blowing that way.

    There is a reason why the corporate Dems and Soros did everything possible to give her a great send off and why they are hoping she can catch fire again.
     
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    It was not the opinion of reporters it was a quotes by Biden backers.

    No need to start some media conspiracy angle.

    And you also had this quote from a non Biden backer.

    Sam Johnson, a Columbia, S.C.-based public affairs consultant who represents many minority clients, accused Harris of “desperately overreaching.




    “I don’t think a lot of folks are saying, ‘well, there’s a lot of credibility of her going after Biden,’” said Johnson, who has not backed a 2020 candidate. “I don’t think it was received by the majority of folks as an attack that is going to move the needle. Most folks aren’t looking at that as something where, hey, ‘Biden was against civil rights carte blanche.’”
     
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    And once again the conspiracy theories.

    I agree she seems inauthentic but dude give it a rest.
     
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    I have no idea what Lemmon was trying to accomplish there.

    Seems like he just wanted to be contrarian.

    But the issue is that the tweet was questioning of she was a Black American not AA.
     
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    I found this an interesting read.

    From CNN:

    Harris' numbers follow a strong showing on the second night of the debates. Among those who watched or followed news coverage about them, 41% say Harris did the best job in the debates, well ahead of the 13% who say Warren had the best performance and 10% who said Biden did. Among those who say they watched all or most of at least one night of debates, Harris' showing is even stronger: 46% say she did the best job, 19% Warren, 8% Biden and 5% each named South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg and former secretary of Housing and Urban Development Julian Castro.

    And 30% of potential Democratic voters now say Harris is the candidate they most want to hear more about, up from 23% who said the same in April. That figure doesn't include those who say she is their top choice for nominee.
    Warren was the lone polling heavyweight on the stage in the first night of the Democratic debates on Wednesday. She turned in a solid performance that served as an introduction to a national audience who may have been hearing from many candidates for the first time.

    On Thursday night, Harris and Biden shared the debate stage and faced off in one of the most memorable moments of either night. Harris asked Biden directly about his opposition to federally mandated busing as a means to integrate public schools in the 1970s, and about his comments on working with segregationist politicians during his time in the Senate. The move appears to have worked in her favor.
    Harris and Biden are now about even in support among self-identified Democrats, white voters, younger voters, nonwhite women and those who tuned in to watch the debates. She outpaces him significantly among liberals and whites with college degrees. Warren challenges Biden and Sanders among independents, tops Biden and runs even with Harris and Sanders among liberals, and earns similar numbers to Harris among younger voters, whites and whites with college degrees.

    Biden's strongest support continues to come among black voters (36% back Biden, 24% Harris, 12% Warren and 9% Sanders) and older voters (34% of seniors back Biden vs. 14% for Harris, 12% for Warren and just 7% for Sanders). He also tops 30% among more moderate and conservative Democratic voters (31% back him vs. 11% Harris, 10% Warren and 8% Sanders).
    Biden tops the rest of the field by a wide margin as the candidate potential Democratic voters see as having the best shot to beat President Donald Trump.

    Overall, 43% of potential Democratic voters say Biden has the best chance to beat Trump in 2020, 30 points ahead of his nearest competitor, Bernie Sanders. Further, 6 in 10 potential Democratic voters say it is more important to them that the party nominate a candidate with a strong chance of beating Trump than it is that they nominate someone who shares their views on major issues.
    But those voters who prefer a strong shot at beating Trump aren't necessarily committed to Biden: 23% in that group say he's their choice for nominee, with Harris and Warren close behind at 18% each and Sanders the only other candidate in double digits at 10%.

    Biden's other clear advantage in the poll is on the issues. More say he's the candidate who can best handle the economy (28%) than name any other contender, and he ties with Sanders as best suited to handle the climate crisis (19%). He's in second on handling health care (18%, behind Sanders' 26%) and on race relations (16%, behind Harris' 29%).
    Although Harris tops on race relations, she lands in fourth place on the other issues tested, with just 10% saying she'd do the best job on health care and 6% each on the economy and the climate crisis. Warren, who has made her issue positions a central feature of the campaign, lands in second place on the economy (20% say she'd do the best job handling it) and runs narrowly behind Biden and Sanders on health care (16%) and the climate crisis (14%).
    The poll finds most Americans in favor of a national health insurance plan, even if that means taxes go up (56% favor that), and support for such a plan skyrockets among potential Democratic voters (85% back it). But those who favor such a plan are not all on board with it being a total replacement for private insurance. Among all adults, just 21% say they favor national health insurance and that it should completely replace private health insurance. Among potential Democratic voters, just 30% feel that way.
    During the second night of debates last week, candidates were asked whether government-run health insurance would be available to undocumented immigrants under their plans, and all onstage that night said it would. Among all Americans, that's a largely unpopular position (59% say that shouldn't happen), but among potential Democratic voters, 6 in 10 favor it (61% vs. 36% who say it should not be available to undocumented immigrants).

    The CNN Poll was conducted by SSRS Friday through Sunday among a random national sample of 1,613 adults reached on landlines or cellphones by a live interviewer. Results for the full sample have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.0 percentage points; for the subsample of 656 Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents who are registered to vote, it is 4.7 points.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/01/politics/2020-democratic-candidates-poll/index.html
     
  19. glynch

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    Where's the conspiracy? People vote their interests as they perceive it in a democracy. The corporate Dems want their tax breaks, too. Soros wants some change, but not so much as to threaten his bottom line. Young students want free tutition, those who make minimum wage want $15/hr; those who lack health insurance vote for those who promise it. so they vote their interest. etc.
     
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    Where does Lemmon think Jamaican Blacks come from? Toronto?
     

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