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MVP Shouldn’t Even be a Discussion

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Reeko, Mar 1, 2019.

  1. J.R.

    J.R. Member

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    Thales Soares, Globoesporte.com
    2016-17: No Vote
    2017-18: James, LeBron (CLE) Harden, James (HOU) Lillard, Damian (POR) Davis, Anthony (NOP) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL)
    2018-19: No Votes

    Tim Bontemps, ESPN
    2016-17: No Vote
    2017-18: No Vote
    2018-19: Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Harden, James (HOU) George, Paul (OKC) Lillard, Damian (POR) Jokic, Nikola (DEN)

    Tim MacMahon, ESPN
    2016-17: No Vote
    2017-18: No Vote
    2018-19: Harden, James (HOU) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Embiid, Joel (PHI) Curry, Stephen (GSW)

    Tim Reynolds, Associated Press
    2016-17: James, LeBron (Cle.) Westbrook, Russell (OKC.) Harden, James (Hou.) Leonard, Kawhi (S.A.) Curry, Stephen (G.S.)
    2017-18: James, LeBron (CLE) Harden, James (HOU) Davis, Anthony (NOP) Westbrook, Russell (OKC) Durant, Kevin (GSW)
    2018-19: Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Harden, James (HOU) Curry, Stephen (GSW) George, Paul (OKC) Lillard, Damian (POR)

    TJ Manotoc, ABS-CBN
    2016-17: Westbrook, Russell (OKC.) James, LeBron (Cle.) Harden, James (Hou.) Leonard, Kawhi (S.A.) Thomas, Isaiah (Bos.)
    2017-18: James, LeBron (CLE) Harden, James (HOU) Davis, Anthony (NOP) Durant, Kevin (GSW) Lillard, Damian (POR)
    2018-19: No Vote

    Tony Jones, The Athletic
    2016-17: Harden, James (Hou.) James, LeBron (Cle.) Westbrook, Russell (OKC.) Leonard, Kawhi (S.A.) Curry, Stephen (G.S.)
    2017-18: Harden, James (HOU) James, LeBron (CLE) Davis, Anthony (NOP) Curry, Stephen (GSW) Lillard, Damian (POR)
    2018-19: No Vote

    Vincent Goodwill, Yahoo Sports
    2016-17: Harden, James (Hou.) Leonard, Kawhi (S.A.) Westbrook, Russell (OKC.) James, LeBron (Cle.) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (Mil.)
    2017-18: Harden, James (HOU) Davis, Anthony (NOP) James, LeBron (CLE) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Lillard, Damian (POR)
    2018-19: Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Harden, James (HOU) George, Paul (OKC) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Curry, Stephen (GSW)

    Weiping Zhang, CCTV
    2016-17: Westbrook, Russell (OKC.) Harden, James (Hou.) Leonard, Kawhi (S.A.) James, LeBron (Cle.) Curry, Stephen (G.S.)
    2017-18: James, LeBron (CLE) Harden, James (HOU) Davis, Anthony (NOP) Durant, Kevin (GSW) Lillard, Damian (POR)
    2018-19: Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Harden, James (HOU) Curry, Stephen (GSW) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) George, Paul (OKC)

    Will Guillory, The Athletic
    2016-17: No Vote
    2017-18: Harden, James (HOU) Davis, Anthony (NOP) James, LeBron (CLE) Lillard, Damian (POR) Westbrook, Russell (OKC)
    2018-19: Harden, James (HOU) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) George, Paul (OKC) Curry, Stephen (GSW)

    Xavier Vaution, BeIn Sport
    2016-17: No Vote
    2017-18: Harden, James (HOU) James, LeBron (CLE) Lillard, Damian (POR) Westbrook, Russell (OKC) Davis, Anthony (NOP)
    2018-19: No Vote

    Yoko Miyaji, Sports Graphic Number
    2016-17: Westbrook, Russell (OKC.) Harden, James (Hou.) Leonard, Kawhi (S.A.) James, LeBron (Cle.) Curry, Stephen (G.S.)
    2017-18: Harden, James (HOU) James, LeBron (CLE) Davis, Anthony (NOP) Lillard, Damian (POR) Westbrook, Russell (OKC)
    2018-19: No Vote

    Zach Harper, The Athletic
    2016-17: No Vote
    2017-18: No Vote
    2018-19: Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Harden, James (HOU) George, Paul (OKC) Curry, Stephen (GSW) Lillard, Damian (POR)

    Zach Lowe, ESPN
    2016-17: Leonard, Kawhi (S.A.) Harden, James (Hou.) Westbrook, Russell (OKC.) James, LeBron (Cle.) Curry, Stephen (G.S.)
    2017-18: Harden, James (HOU) James, LeBron (CLE) Davis, Anthony (NOP) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Lillard, Damian (POR)
    2018-19: Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Harden, James (HOU) George, Paul (OKC) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Lillard, Damian (POR)
     
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  2. RyanB

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    SO BASICALLY most voters who voted for Giannis
    either had voted for Westbrick in 2017
    or had no vote in 2017

    interesting, and confirms there is a bias against Harden
     
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  3. SamFisher

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    Dear TNT - thanks for letting this constipated old man with his sackful of day-old dad jokes and his congested monotone broadcast 50% of our postseason games.
     
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    Yeah the Westbrook in 16/17 and Giannis in 18/19 voters made a mistake 1 year.

    I think a lot of voters from 16/17 would like a redo.
     
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  5. topfive

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    JVG didn't get a vote?
     
  6. J.R.

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    31 voters

    Andrew Sharp
    Anthony Slater
    Brian Lewis
    Brian Windhorst
    Chris Broussard
    Dennis Scott
    Doris Burke
    Erik Horne
    Frank Isola
    Jeff Zillgitt
    Joe Freeman
    Joe Vardon
    Justin Termine
    KC Johnson
    Keith Pompey
    Kevin Harlan
    Kristen Ledlow
    Kurt Helin
    Michael Grange
    NBA Fan Voting
    Paul Flannery
    Rachel Nichols
    Ramona Shelburne
    Reggie Miller
    Rod Beard
    Royce Young
    Ryan Wolstat
    Sekou Smith
    Sherrod Blakely
    Steve Aschburner
    Weiping Zhang
     
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  7. topfive

    topfive CF OG

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    Did any of those did NOT vote for Harden last year? Because that would show a pretty clear bias IMO.
     
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  8. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Excellent follow up question
     
  9. harold bingo

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    These 5 voted for Westbrook, Lebron, Giannis-

    Jeff Zillgitt
    KC Johnson
    Keith Pompey
    Reggie Miller
    Weiping Zhang
     
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  10. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    LOL, we knew Reggie Miller would be in that group.
     
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  11. topfive

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    Should have their votes yanked.
     
  12. topfive

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    Doesn't want to vote for anyone who will pass him on the all-time 3pts made list.
     
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    Zhang Weiping is an old dude from Chinese CCTV5 station. Always reminded me of an Asian version of Sager sans funny suits.

    He always conducts interviews, and always found good words about both Harden and WBrook.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Dave Pasch, Mike Wilbon, Mike Breen and Jon Barry voted for Harden!?

    Wow, Harden got thumped in the voting and he got votes from people I thought would have voted for Giannis.
     
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    LOL
     
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    Voters who did not vote Harden first 2/3 or 3/3 years

    Weiping Zhang, CCTV(Westbrook-LeBron-Giannis)
    Tim Reynolds, Associated Press(LeBron-LeBron-Giannis)
    Reggie Miller, Turner(Westbrook-LeBron-Giannis)
    Keith Pompey, Philadelphia Inquirer(Westbrook-LeBron-Giannis)
    KC Johnson, Chicago Tribune(Westbrook-LeBron-Giannis)
    Jeff Zillgitt, USA Today(Westbrook-LeBron-Giannis)

    TJ Manotoc, ABS-CBN(Westbrook-LeBron-No Vote)
    Stefan Bondy, New York Daily News(No vote-LeBron-Giannis)
    Ryan Wolstat, Toronto Sun(Westbrook-No vote-Giannis)
    Joe Vardon, The Athletic(Westbrook-No vote-Giannis)
    Joe Freeman, The Oregonian(Westbrook-No vote-Giannis)
    Erik Horne, The Oklahoman(Westbrook-No vote-Giannis)
    Diego Martínez, Reforma(No vote-LeBron-Giannis)
    Dave McMenamin, ESPN(No vote-LeBron-Giannis)
    Brian Lewis, New York Post(Westbrook-No vote-Giannis)
     
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    I hope someone is compensating @J.R. for all this analysis and breakdown. He needs to be paid

    Cuz some smug from Bleacher Report or realGm is going to take all his hardwork and write some long articles to monetize
     
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  18. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Really impressive work in here JR. Salute!

    I like when JR uses his powers for good.
     
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  19. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    @Clutch called them out on twitter.

     
  20. harold bingo

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    I was wondering why he didn't show up on my list, and it's because he didn't vote for Westbrook either in 2017, he voted for LeBron. So this guy voted LeBron, LeBron, and Giannis. Questionable. For what it's worth he had Westbrook as his second place vote, and Harden as his third.
     

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