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Harvard Rescinds Admission Of Parkland High School Student's Admission Over Racist Comments

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  1. biff17

    biff17 Member

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    How would he have a legal case when he posted it on a public forum?

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    Thought it was Twitter but seems it was a text message but he still sent the text so his privacy rights are null.
     
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  2. DonnyMost

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    Not that I'm certain it has any bearing on the case, but it wasn't a public forum (accessible to anyone, like cf.net for example).

    Depending on what the person who contacted Harvard said/did, it could be a case of slander.

    I'm personally curious if the press got wind of this before Harvard's decision was made.
     
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    Parkland Teen Kyle Kashuv, Former Turning Point USA Member, Apologizes For Racist Slurs
    Kashuv, a pro-gun advocate, used slurs on multiple occasions, two Parkland teens told HuffPost.
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    Kyle Kashuv, a pro-gun shooting survivor and former member of an embattled college Republican group, apologized Wednesday night on Twitter for racist remarks and slurs he’d made in text and Skype messages and in a shared Google document for a class study guide.

    Kashuv, who is now 18 and a high school senior, is only the latest person affiliated with Turning Point USA to be caught making racist remarks. (Before he stepped down, Kashuv was the group’s director of high school outreach.) Riley Grisar, who led the group’s University of Nevada Las Vegas chapter, was removed from TPUSA after a video surfaced of him declaring “white power” and saying racist slurs. And in April 2018, HuffPost discovered a swath of racist comments made by several TPUSA members.

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    Kashuv’s racist messages were shared with HuffPost by a former student and a current student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. The messages date to late 2017 or early 2018, just a couple of months before a shooting at the school left 17 dead. The teens who spoke to HuffPost asked to remain anonymous, saying they didn’t want to be associated with Kashuv.


    “We were 16-year-olds making idiotic comments, using callous and inflammatory language in an effort to be as extreme and shocking as possible,” Kashuv said in a statement posted on Twitter Wednesday night, hours after HuffPost reached out to him for comment.

    In a shared Google doc for a midterm study guide that classmates used for an Advanced Placement U.S. history exam, and that HuffPost was given access to, Kashuv used the N-word multiple times. (His words are highlighted in gray in the image below.)

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    Kyle Kashuv repeatedly used the N-word in a class document seen by multiple students. The document was shared with HuffPost.
    Kashuv wrote that he is “really good at typing ****** ok like practice uhhhhhh makes perfect.” At least one other student also appears to make racist comments in the document.

    In that same document, Kashuv said he would “****ing make a CSOG map of Douglas and practice.” He was likely referring to the shooting game “Counter-Strike: Global Offensive.”

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    A Google doc showing Kashuv’s racist remarks.
    “Everyone knew him as the vulgar kid that says stuff like that, talked that way out loud,” the former student who shared the document with HuffPost said of Kashuv. “He would talk that way to a lot of people. I don’t think he was trying to hide it or anything, I don’t think he was scared, I think he fell into that Discord, gamer guy that says those vulgar things.”

    The document appears to show that in May 2018, Kashuv attempted to delete what he wrote, but his previous writings were easily recoverable.

    A current student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas who calls herself a “former friend” of Kashuv also shared text and Skype correspondence the two had.

    “[She] goes for niggerjocks,” Kashuv said in a text message about another female student.

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    Kashuv complains about a “7/10” girl going for “niggerjocks.”
    The teen told HuffPost she was coming forward because she sees Kashuv’s behavior as problematic.

    “I honestly think, yeah, he’s racist against black people,” the teen told HuffPost.

    Another Parkland student who spoke to HuffPost and had access to Kashuv’s racist remarks said she threatened to expose him. She said that the day after her threat, Kashuv stepped down from TPUSA.

    In a statement posted to Twitter last week, Kashuv said he was leaving the group to focus on “school safety legislation.” Kashuv told HuffPost in a text that the slurs surfaced after he resigned.

    Charlie Kirk, TPUSA’s founder, did not immediately respond to a request for comment for this story.
     
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  4. biff17

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    Yeah I thought it was Twitter but he sent it to study group and it's his own words so how can it be slander.

    I posted how it actually went down look above.
     
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    That why I said "depending on what they said/did". If they just said "hey here's sum screenshots of your new enrollee lololol" then yeah that's not slander, but if they editorialized, offered opinions about the person, or lied about them, then you're looking at slander.
     
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    It was good enough for Harvard's Office of Diversity Education to accept it.
     
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    That's another overlooked irony here. The office that was formed literally to adjudicate and remedy this stuff thought he passed muster. LOL.
     
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    That still does mean it was sincere they just said they were willing to have a dialogue with him.
     
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    Harvard accepted this guy? Really? Incredible. I'm surprised. Maybe I'm missing something. I haven't read most of the earlier part of the thread, and one of the members who's being replied to by most of you is on my ignore list (he was driving me crazy with his circular "arguments," and used to post so differently years ago that I think I recall speculation that someone boosted his account).

    I thought Harvard had higher standards. Considering how difficult it is to get into the university, that this guy was allowed to enter over others is something I find bizarre.
     
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    I'd take their word for it since they read it and you didn't.
     
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    It's a stereotype like any other to assume that all white men are wearing three piece suits, driving maseratis, and working on Wall Street. That is to say, it is a stereotype to assume that all white men are born into "privilege."

    It's a fact that the govt, schools, and increasingly the private sector are discriminating against white men; or said another way, preferentially hiring others first, regardless of merit.

    Here is but one example:
    "California Becomes 1st State To Require Women On Corporate Boards"
    https://www.vox.com/2018/10/3/17924014/california-women-corporate-boards-jerry-brown

     
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    Graduating as salutatorian in a class of 800+ in an extremely competitive, wealthy high school and getting a 1550 on your SAT will likely get you into Harvard.
     
  13. biff17

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    i did read it.

    It was linked in a post.
     
  14. biff17

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    So I guess we are choosing to ignore that he threatened to shoot up the school and made other derogatory slurs.

    This was not a 1 time thing.
     
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    Could you link me to it? I must have missed it. Regardless, Harvard's Office of Diversity Education thought it was good enough and wanted him to be admitted.
     
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    I read it somewhere in the thread and I think you are putting to much weight into what Diversity office actually said.
     
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    I don't think my post, myself, or anyone else believes that all white men are wearing three piece suits, driving fancy cars or working on Wall Street. I'm just saying that at the head of almost every Wall Street mega-bank, most seats of government, people who control what we see on television, film, etc. there are white people there. They established themselves in those positions at a time when others couldn't compete for the control. Most of the connections they have to help rise on the inside of those positions are also white.

    White males aren't in danger of being oppressed contrary to what you and a few others might think.
     
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    Is there someone who is better suited to judge this than the school's own diversity department that you would suggest?
     
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    Yes the admissions dept whose job it is to judge this type of thing.

    and this is what he said the dept said.

    "he said the school's Office of Diversity Education & Support responded to his apology the next day, saying it appreciated his "thoughtful reflections" and looked forward to connecting with him "upon your matriculation in the fall of 2020."


    They made no judgment on this either way.
     
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    This is what he said they said.

    "he said the school's Office of Diversity Education & Support responded to his apology the next day, saying it appreciated his "thoughtful reflections" and looked forward to connecting with him "upon your matriculation in the fall of 2020."

    That is not saying he passed muster they made no judgment.
     

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