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[RCP] The Sanders-AOC Protection for Loan Sharks Act

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    Todd Zywicki argues persuasively that this proposed legislation would end up doing more harm than good.

    The Sanders-AOC Protection for Loan Sharks Act
    COMMENTARY
    By Todd J. Zywicki
    June 02, 2019

    Last month, Sen. Bernie Sanders and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez debuted the Loan Shark Prevention Act, whose chief provision amounts to a national interest rate ceiling of 15%. In a video accompanying the announcement, Sanders invoked Hollywood’s version of loan sharks to illustrate his point: “You’ve got all these guys in their three-piece suits who are now the new loan shark hoodlums that we used to see in the movies. You know, in the movies, they say, ‘I’ll break your kneecaps if you don’t pay back.’ Well, I don’t know that they break kneecaps …”

    Sanders’s invocation of yesterday’s leg-breakers is obviously intended to conjure the colorful figures of American imagination, from Don Corleone to Tony Soprano. But the terror that real loan sharks inflicted on immigrant and working-class families is not merely the stuff of Hollywood; it was a brutal reality for much of American history. And the ubiquity of loan sharks in American history is directly attributable to forerunners of the interest-rate ceilings proposed by Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez.

    “Usury ceilings,” as interest-rate price controls were traditionally labeled, began as a paternalistic effort to protect low-income and supposedly vulnerable consumers from exploitation by greedy bankers. Yet, as well-intentioned regulations so often do, usury ceilings backfired spectacularly, primarily harming those they were intended to help. And far from shutting down loan sharks, history shows that usury ceilings have been the primary catalyst for the loan sharks that have preyed on low-income and vulnerable Americans throughout history.

    The advent of industrialization saw thousands of prewar immigrants and farmers flood into American cities in search of work. The challenges of city living created unprecedented demand for small-dollar, short-term loans. Yet making small loans to wage earners was an expensive business. First, it was risky — the same factors that necessitated borrowing in the first place (low wages, periodic unemployment, and unexpected expenses such as medical bills and home repairs) translated into high loss rates. Second, the costs of small loans is high relative to the amount borrowed —operating expenses such as rent, employee wages, and utilities are very similar regardless of whether the customer borrows $50, $500, or $5,000. In order to cover losses and those operating expenses, therefore, the effective interest rate on a small loan will have to be higher.

    As a result, prohibitively low usury ceilings made it impossible for working families to borrow the money they needed from legitimate lenders. Illegal loan sharks filled the void, creating a reign of terror in American cities.

    In New York, future Republican presidential candidate Thomas Dewey first came to fame through his 1935 bust of the city’s loan shark racket. With 1,040% interest rates and brutal means of enforcement — including, according to the front page of the New York Times, “Beatings and Death Threats” — the operation had netted the syndicate a cool $5 million. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan referred to it as an era of “virtual serfdom” for urban families trying to make ends meet.

    In response to the ubiquitous problem of loan sharks, consumer advocate groups led a nationwide crusade to loosen interest rate restrictions to permit legitimate lenders to compete with the loan sharks. The reform effort culminated in the drafting of the Uniform Small Loan Law, which proposed dramatic increases in state usury ceilings. Although the proposal to raise usury ceilings was controversial at first, by mid-century the loan shark problem had largely dissipated in states that adopted the law, replaced by personal finance companies and small-loan companies operating legally.

    Yet the lull in regulation, and crime, would prove short-lived. Acting under the theory that excessive access to consumer credit by working families was a primary cause of the Great Depression, many states rolled back their liberalization of interest rate ceilings. The results were predictable — and devastating to America’s working families. According to a Senate investigation, by 1968 loan sharking was the second largest revenue source of organized crime. That same year, Republican presidential candidate Richard Nixon pledged to appoint an attorney general that would “be an active belligerent against loan sharks and the numbers racketeers that rob the urban poor in our cities.” A 1969 book by a former police officer estimated the size of the illegal loan shark industry to be $10 billion per year — the equivalent of $69 billion in today’s dollars and about twice the size of the estimated $32 billion payday loan market (storefront and online combined) today in the United States.

    Unfortunate borrowers were often lucky to get off with “only” a broken leg. In one 1978 criminal trial, prosecutors played a tape recording in which Louis “Blind Louie” Cavallaro of the Chicago syndicate threatened to “cut out the eyes and tongue of a man who owed him $18,000” and expressed his desire to wear the victim’s teeth “around [his] neck.” Threats involving the forcible amputation and public display of body parts usually kept private seem to have been especially popular. Usually threats, in connection with the loan shark’s menacing physique and reputation for violence, were enough to ensure timely payment, but not always. One mob enforcer confessedthat when one borrower didn’t pay up, he “clipped off” a portion of the borrower’s ear and then explained that if “you pay me you can keep the rest of your ear.” If not, he would take the remainder. “Then the next day I’ll take your other ear. Then we’ll start on your fingers.” Still other delinquent customers were enlisted by the shark into criminal activity to pay off their debts.

    Liberal politicians and consumer advocates were finally forced to admit that usury ceilings ended up hurting those they intended to help. In 1964, the New York state legislature opened an inquiry into the state’s billion-dollar loan-sharking racket. Sen.-elect Robert F. Kennedy, in a statement filed with the committee, recommended “altering the state laws on usury so an insolvent person who needs money for legitimate purposes might borrow it at rates that were not exorbitant.”

    Kennedy’s sentiment echoed the economic and sociological consensus of the time. A year before becoming the first American to win the Nobel Prize in Economics, Paul Samuelson had appeared before the Massachusetts legislature to testify that “[f]or 50 years” research demonstrated that “setting too low ceilings on small loan interest rates will result in drying up legitimate funds to the poor who need it most and will send them into the hands of the illegal loan sharks.” He continued, “History is replete with cases where loan sharks have lobbied in legislatures for unrealistic minimum rates, knowing such meaningless ceilings would permit them to charge much higher rates.” A decade later, a Cornell study prepared for the United States Department of Justice concluded, “[T]here can be little doubt that [usury laws], at least in part, have created a black market for credit dominated by organized crime.”

    The high inflation rates of the 1970s tolled the intellectual death knell for restrictive interest rate ceilings and the Supreme Court’s 1978 decision in the Marquette National Bank case effectively deregulated credit card interest rates by holding that the applicable interest rate on a credit card would be the issuing bank’s state ceiling, not the consumer’s state. The results transformed the American economy: Between 1970 and 2000, the percentage of American households with general purpose credit cards rose from 15% to 70%. And loan sharking became the thing of movies, cable television programs — and now, ill-conceived legislative proposals.

    Comparing today’s financial markets to Hollywood villains diminishes the real terror that loan sharks inflicted on generations of immigrant and working-class families and ignores the pivotal role of usury ceilings in creating the conditions for loan sharks to operate. The story of the relationship between usury ceilings and loan sharking is one that’s had numerous remakes and sequels. It always ended the same way — with desperate borrowers turning to illegal lenders to get money in a pinch. Congress can pass all the laws it wants, but it can’t repeal the law of supply and demand — or the law of unintended consequences.

    Todd J. Zywicki is George Mason University Foundation Professor of Law at Antonin Scalia Law School, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, and co-author of “Consumer Credit and the American Economy” (Oxford University Press, 2014).



    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...oc_protection_for_loan_sharks_act_140472.html
     
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  2. pirc1

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    15% is low, but 100% etc are definitely too high, the right percentage is some where in between, I would imagine 30-40% for taking on risky small loans.
     
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  3. JuanValdez

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    I understand the concern. And I think 15% is too low a ceiling. But, I like having a ceiling on usury even if it creates a violent black market for loans. One, I don't think we should be saying usurious rates are officially okay. Two, legitimate lenders will still take as much advantage as allowed by regulation of vulnerable customers -- so setting a reasonable ceiling will allow lenders to still make money under that ceiling on many of those customers without taking excessive profits. Regulation can in fact force the industry to get creative on how to serve that segment more efficiently so they can still make money under the cap. Three, even if some people will go to the black market, because it is illegal the volumes will be much lower. So, some borrowers will expose themselves to risks they weren't previously exposed to but many more will have been protected because they aren't willing or able to tap illegal markets. As for the crimes committed by loan sharks to collect from people who foolishly borrowed from them -- vigorous law enforcement would be appreciated.
     
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  4. Invisible Fan

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    100% is outright robbery. Maybe these Cato and Brookings fellows can get together and allow an "acceptable cut" for these payday brokers?

    I'm sure there will be needy and desperate people willing to ask Fat Tony for a 100% loan, but perpetual serfdom should not be a symptom American Freedom.
     
  5. Buck Turgidson

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    Impossible. Os told us in his 1 sentence comment that this argument is "persuasive".
     
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  6. Os Trigonum

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    The author's argument is summarized in his final sentences:

    "The story of the relationship between usury ceilings and loan sharking is one that’s had numerous remakes and sequels. It always ended the same way — with desperate borrowers turning to illegal lenders to get money in a pinch. Congress can pass all the laws it wants, but it can’t repeal the law of supply and demand — or the law of unintended consequences."
     
  7. glynch

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    Same ol Same ol. Supply and demand 101. You can prohibit child labor by passing a law but it will just lead to unintended consequences. Just like you can't repeal the law of gravity and you can't repeal the "law' of supply and demand.

    lol The George Mason University, especially its law and economics departments are controlled and funded by the Koch Bros. The author will get paid by the pay day lenders or maybe directly from the Kochs.
     
  8. Os Trigonum

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    :rolleyes:
     
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  9. JuanValdez

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    lol

    https://www.law.gmu.edu/faculty/directory/fulltime/zywicki_todd

    He also works for the Mercatus Center, George Mason U's free-market think-tank (with Charles Koch on the Board!). Now, I don't think professors will write whatever they're paid to write. But, these university think-tanks have member companies that fund them to research the topics they're interested in. And, if a professor doesn't have the right view, the companies will find and fund and promote the professor who does. It's not an accident that set before our eyes was a piece by the Mercatus Center and not the Center for American Progress. Doesn't mean that Dr. Zywicki isn't right, but I don't think @glynch is being too cynical here. This is not Dr. Zywicki writing an article as a concerned citizen, it's Dr. Zywicki writing an article to support his clients in the payday loan industry against some public policy that will cost them money.
     
  10. Os Trigonum

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    fair enough Juan, but what do you think of the article’s arguments on the merits?
     
  11. biff17

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    Why did he not cite the examples of the numerous remakes and sequels of this loan sharking his only example of research was from 1969.

    I have been known to circulate in some pretty shady circles and have never known a loan shark or people that get money from loan sharks.

    So his entire premise seems to be that there is no middle ground between predatory lenders and loan sharks it's either on or the other.

    How is that a persuasive argument?
     
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    Interesting thing about this: the child labor laws were typically passed in the early 20th century, as industrialism was hitting its peak; and when there were stories of horrible industrial accidents involving children.

    Now, I'm not saying these laws were a bad thing, but every law has its unintended consequence. In this case, children and early teens became economic liabilities, thus raising the cost to have them.
     
  13. Major

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    I don't know the right or wrong answer, but there's no need to rely on theory here - we already know the effects of limiting loan interest:

    Current Laws


    Eighteen States and the District of Columbia Prohibit Extremely High Cost Payday Lending

    States protect their citizens from usurious payday lending by prohibiting the product or by setting rate caps or usury limits.

    Georgia prohibits payday loans under racketeering laws. New York and New Jersey prohibit payday lending through criminal usury statutes, limiting loans to 25 percent and 30 percent annual interest, respectively. Arkansas’s state constitution caps loan rates at 17 percent annual interest.

    After permitting high-cost payday loans, New Hampshire capped payday loan rates at 36 percent annual interest in 2009. Montanavoters passed a ballot initiative in 2010 to cap loan rates at 36 percent annual interest, effective in 2011. South Dakota voters approved a ballot initiative in 2016 by a 75 percent vote to cap rates for payday, car title and installment loans at 36 percent annual interest. Arizona voters rejected a payday loan ballot initiative in 2008, leading to sunset of the authorizing law in 2010. North Carolina tried payday lending for a few years, then let the authorizing law expire after loans were found to trap borrowers in debt. The states of Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Vermont, and West Virginia never authorized payday loans. The District of Columbia repealed its payday law.


    https://paydayloaninfo.org/state-information

    Do any of these states have a big problem with illegal loan sharks?

    18 states aggressively limit it.
    32 states do not.

    There should be plenty of data comparing them.
     
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    This is the most ignorant thing you have ever posted and that's saying a lot.

    Children and teens are economic liabilities?

    Who knew?

    Children and teens have always been economic liabilities, really dude?
     
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    Now thems the facts.
     
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    My first post already described what I thought of the argument -- I'm sure he's directionally correct that regulating legal services encourages illegal services, but it's worth the trade-off.

    I'll add that I think his particular appeal to the fear of criminal violence is one of those messages that will resonate more deeply with "law-and-order" voters who vote for Trump because of the lawlessness they think the Dems represent ("law-and-order" now in ironic quotation marks because there is nothing more antithetical to law and order than literally electing a criminal to be president).
     
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    Whatever happens the mafia is dead. Wouldn't worry about loan sharking on an epidemic level.

    Back when loan sharking became prevalent organized crime was already more prevalent and had more capital to work with and more enforcers to enforce.

    As much as we complain about different things in this forum, crime has decreased in general
     
  18. REEKO_HTOWN

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    No, no, let him keep at it. It's creative trolling to say the least.
     
  19. Os Trigonum

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    not so fast biff . . . and not so ignorant. I think Bruce has the timeline roughly correct, but his causation may be a bit off (laws=unintended consequences of children becoming economic liabilities).

    here's an essay on child labor in the United States from the fake news Economic History Association:

    https://eh.net/encyclopedia/child-labor-in-the-united-states/

    In it the author (a professor from Wake Forest who is undoubtedly paid by the Koch Brothers to sow dissension and misunderstanding throughout the land) writes:

    Child labor was widespread in agriculture and in industry in U.S. economy up until the early twentieth century but largely disappeared by the 1930s.
    You can read the gory details for yourself, but basically he argues that child labor was already on the way out due to changing demographics; the labor laws merely accompanied the changes that were already underway:

    Most economic historians conclude that this legislation was not the primary reason for the reduction and virtual elimination of child labor between 1880 and 1940. Instead they point out that industrialization and economic growth brought rising incomes, which allowed parents the luxury of keeping their children out of the work force. In addition, child labor rates have been linked to the expansion of schooling, high rates of return from education, and a decrease in the demand for child labor due to technological changes which increased the skills required in some jobs and allowed machines to take jobs previously filled by children. Moehling (1999) finds that the employment rate of 13-year olds around the beginning of the twentieth century did decline in states that enacted age minimums of 14, but so did the rates for 13-year olds not covered by the restrictions. Overall she finds that state laws are linked to only a small fraction – if any – of the decline in child labor. It may be that states experiencing declines were therefore more likely to pass legislation, which was largely symbolic.
    And of course there are plenty of economic analyses that show the cost of raising a child today is a net negative in a way that it wasn't when children were contributing all of their income to the family ("Data from the Cost of Living Survey of 1889-90 show the importance of child labor to urban households. While the family head’s income peaked when he was in his thirties, family expenditures peaked when he was in his fifties because of the contributions of children. Similarly, in a 1917-19 Department of Labor survey, among families with working children, children’s earnings accounted for an average of 23 percent of total family income," from above). One such analysis of the cost of raising children today:

    https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/cost-of-raising-children.pdf

    So I'd caution against calling someone ignorant or saying things like "This is the most ignorant thing you have ever posted and that's saying a lot" without doing some homework first. Pro tip. ;)
     
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    Putting aside a federal usury cap, I think its fair to pass legislation to address court decisions that have allowed credit card issuers to charge interest rates that are legal in the state where the company is domiciled rather than following the rules of the state where the consumer lives.

    States should have full power to regulate credit card interest rates. In general, we've largely deregulated loans and interest since the 1970s and it seems that we haven't learned anything since then.

    Arkansas has a constitutionally mandated interest cap of 17% but it cannot be applied to credit cards because of a supreme court decision. Congress needs to fix this. Dodd-Frank was originally going to address this but it was pulled out (along with new rules around debit card fees). But its clear that the current system preys on people who simply don't understand the impact of high interest rates.
     

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