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Tracy McGrady: CP3 wanted more movement out of James Harden. Harden didn't budge.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rasheed, May 31, 2019.

  1. YaoMing#1

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    Kawhi is fantastic if you want to say he’s better than Harden I won’t argue.

    But I will say going through the eastern conference is a lot easier than what harden went through.

    The only evidence is 1 game which is the finals we’re they had the same opponent and Kawhi scored 23 points on 35% shooting.

    Harden played that D for 6 games and arguably the best D in the league for 5 games before that against the Jazz.

    I don’t think Harden played bad in the playoffs especially the warriors series.

    We just didn’t win that’s why ppl are upset.

    That and the games were all close so it’s more conceivable that we could have won if Harden did more.

    They guy avg 35/7/6 on 60% true shooting that’s pretty damn good
     
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    And all y’all CP3 nutriders will overlook everything else that went on in that series and come to the conclusion that Harden running a baseline double screen pin down is the answer. Lmao, how did that movement work out for the Blazers?
     
  3. bmelo

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    Like every NBA team has multiple playmakers. Cp and Harden is more than enough of playmakers, but others cant stand around. Plus current players are aquired for current Harden iso system. It isnt video game, you just cant aquire better players because they dont ****ing care bout James mvp for them to stand in one place without ball on James mercy.
     
  4. Asian Sensation

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    What does James Harden’s movement or lack thereof (topic of discussion) have to with CP3 or anything else that went on in the series or the Blazers movement?
     
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    there is also only so much energy to spend, harden maybe had to rest on those possessions to preserve the energy for doing what you appear (to some) to take for granted

    1 yeah, its not hard to carry a package weighing 2 pounds
    2 but try carrying it around for an hour?
    3 how about carrying it around the entire day while performing your usual tasks?

    thats when 2 pounds become heavier than heaven and the earth
     
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  6. Blurr#7

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    That’s exactly my point.
     
  7. Asian Sensation

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    This. Everyone that thinks Jimmy Butler is the answer. NO. He becomes nothing more than a glorified spot up shooter (not his forte by a long shot) if Harden doesn’t change his ways. Besides, Jimmy ain’t no dummy and neither is any other superstar. They’re not gonna come here to play second fiddle only when Harden needs a breather.
     
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  8. TEXNIFICENT

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    TMac is critical of Harden when he didn't move without the ball, didn't play defense, didn't get out of the 1st round and announced a season ending surgery without the Rockets knowledge.

    TMac should really STFU.
     
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    Man, I don't take Harden for granted. I'm fully aware of the weight on Harden's shoulders; It's why I feel he is the best in the league. I keep saying how unfair it is to Harden, but few things are fair in life. You just have to get things done even with crap circumstances. That will be my position until the end of time.

    I'm kind of tired of typing about this now.
     
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  10. HP3

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    You don’t have to have playmakers per say but at least have guys who can do something off the dribble. And bet Warriors multiple playmaker/scoreers Toronto, the Bucks, Philly, same deal. We are elite we just as well we just needed maybe one or two more pieces. Others standing in their spots gave us a great offense again the Warriors. Really? Lol is that why we can’t acquire better players because of James Harden am I hearing that right, cmon man.
     
  11. Asian Sensation

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    We had somebody like that. He was pretty much useless for us with Harden’s ISO ways.
     
  12. TEXNIFICENT

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    What has Jimmy Butler won? Is he a superstar?
     
  13. Asian Sensation

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    You missed my point.

    I’m not gonna turn this into a debate whether or not Jimmy is a superstar. Just replace my Butler example with Kawhi and it’s virtually the same thing except Kawhi isn’t even remotely possible of happening.
     
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  14. YaoMing#1

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    Kawhi is fantastic if you want to say he’s better than Harden I won’t argue.

    But I will say going through the eastern conference is a lot easier than what harden went through.

    The only evidence is 1 game which is the finals we’re they had the same opponent and Kawhi scored 23 points on 35% shooting.

    Harden played that D for 6 games and arguably the best D in the league for 5 games before that against the Jazz.

    I don’t think Harden played bad in the playoffs especially the warriors series.

    We just didn’t win that’s why ppl are upset.

    That and the games were all close so it’s more conceivable that we could have won if Harden did more.
     
  15. Mr. Clutch

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    In addition to shooting 3s, Butler's job will be to play switchable defense (especially if hardens man is setting the pick because harden won't go over it) and to create 4 on 4 when harden is trapped or tired
     
  16. Mr. Clutch

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    The warriors don't have multiple playmakers. It's basically Curry and Draymond. Klay doesn't create. Durant creates only for himself, and he's injured.

    Also the rockets have one of the greatest pg playmakers in cp3 even at the age of 34. And he wanted harden to move. Maybe if he moved CP3 wouldn't look so bad because he'd be playing in a way that's more ideal for him?

    So if we get another playmaker at the 4 since suddenly that's what people have decided is the problem, will harden start to move?
     
  17. TEXNIFICENT

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    Kawhi quit on the Spurs bro. Harden gets accused of quitting all the time but:
    Would you be cool with Harden if would've took the rest of the Golden St. Series off when he got scratched in the eyes in Game 1 this year. Then claimed to be injured after 9 games next year and sat 73 games while the Rockets claimed he was healthy enough to play. After all that, later demand a trade.
     
  18. Asian Sensation

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    So basically get the ball for an occasional corner 3 and covering Harden’s lack of movement on the defensive side of the ball as well. Sounds like a blast. Ain’t nobody wanna do that shiit. Actually, PJ you da real MVP.
     
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    Quite true I agree. MDA was the problem. He needed to change the lineups and tactics but remained stagnant. I thought they should’ve started manimal instead of capela in the warriors Series or at least give him some minutes. Seems like every time faried is in there he’s able to get buckets and capela was a non factor most of the series. A lot of times during those scoring droughts in the 3rd or 4th the rockets were stagnant. No off ball screens. No down screens or flares like how warriors play. Just stagnant high pick and rolls or harden iso top of key. Sometimes rivers or shump sets what looks like a down screen but it’s for no one lol. They just come down on a defender for no apparent reason with no rocket player in sight. Just an ugly stagnant offense.
     
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  20. Asian Sensation

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    What does that have to do with Harden’s movement or lack thereof?
     

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