Are Harden and Durant in a lower class than Kawhi, Lebron, and Curry?

The reason Curry struggled statistically is because Durant sucks at passing, but Curry still opened up the offense by being on the court.

Curry has had no 2019 All-NBA teammates since Durant went down in game 5. Neither Dray nor Klay made even 3rd team.

 

Lol alright sure thing man. But ok lets assume what you are saying is true, Durant's a sucky passer, why was Curry still able to put up good numbers in other series/PO games when Durant was playing??? Cmon. Your own numbers show they are better with Durant and Curry on the floor.

Dude, this is disingenuous and you know it. Everyone knows how good those guys really are, and these awards dont reward people who coast during the regular season as well.

 

Durant to me is the most overated player of this generation. He has the same stats as AD but he cant carry a team by himself. People saying he's unstoppable doesnt even know wtf unstoppable is. How can someone be unstoppable and choke in the playoffs. Choked 3-1 and then joining the best team in the NBA and then people claim he's the best player in the NBA. But like i said, even a garbage man from the street could had won all those championships with GSW. Only reason why GSW lost a 3-1 lead over the Cavs was because of Draymond going down in game 6 and the refs. And the chances of blowing a 3-1 lead is extremely low.

 

Perfect post. Most fans are complete morons.

 

I agree. Except referring to those who don't see curry as obviously the best player on the warriors

 

nvm

 

Everyone and their mother knows what happens when a super team is formed. That's why Dray and Klay are not on All NBA teams. They would both receive the max in an open market. They have both shown that when their services are needed - i.e. when Durant goes down - they can flip a switch and play like All NBA again.

Right now right now, the Rockets would trade all 14 non-Harden players for Klay Thompson and Draymond Green if it were possible.

 

Klay was still an All-Star this year and they both made All-Defensive 2nd team, not like they were scrubs. Draymond is also possibly the best passing 4 in the league.

 

And yet when Curry sat, they weren't that good. Not even if Durant was in.

Weird. Almost as if superstars make teammates better.

 

Oh yes, i would...They can take the whole dam coaching staff as well. Trade the whole team for Klay and Draymond

 

Agreed 100%

And I think Harden can get us their i truely do.

We just need some younger talent.

Are window with this group was last year and this year.

I think as is we can win 55-60 games next year but beating GS just like Lebron that one year would be like winning the lottery is gonna take some major luck as is.

Even though I believe we’re the 2nd best team in the nba but being second in this era is not going to give u a very good chance like it would in an era that GS didnt exists.

 

Draymond's defensive impact is not dependent on Curry. Really, cause last year they destroyed San Antonio and took game one of the Pelicans without Curry handidly, Im not saying they arent as good without Curry, but you better believe Durant, Thompson and Draymond is formidable.

No one is saying Curry is not a superstar??? Very few are even arguing about Durant being better.

 

Stretching again?!?!

How come they're on a 73-win pace when Durant sits??

You're missing what's screaming in your face because you are stubbornly married to a myth. They're not good when Durant sits because Durant is not a Curry. He wouldn't win 60+ games with last season's Rockets either in case you're wondering.

Kevin Durant
Russell Westbrook
Serge Ibaka
Andre Roberson
Steven Adams
Enes Kanter
Anthony Morrow
Dion Waiters
Randy Foye

Got 55 wins and went down to the obviously Durant-less Warriors in 7.

Steph Curry won 73 games that season. A title before that.

James Harden won 53 games this season and the 2nd best player this regular season was PJ Tucker.

What's going on?? Are Draymond and Klay not that good and Steph Curry is the greatest player in NBA history?? haha

And if Steph Curry is the greatest player in history and Durant is what you make him out to be, HOW ARE WE HANGING WITH THEM IN A SERIES??

 

They're all at the same tier IMO.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/nba-insider-tom-haberstroh/steph-curry-warriors-breaking-point?amp

Steph Curry is Warriors' breaking point
Tom Haberstroh
6 months ago




.ere’s a mountain of evidence that Stephen Curry, not Durant, is what makes this team special. And with each passing day, that mountain is only getting bigger.

* * *

One way to see Curry’s greatness is to see what the Warriors do without him. This season, it hasn't been pretty. Secondly, you must understand how dominant the Warriors are no matter who is next to Curry.

It’s no coincidence that Green and Durant’s argument bubbled to the surface when Curry was sidelined. They're struggling without him. The Warriors, with three All-NBA players suiting up, probably shouldn't have needed a last-second bucket to top the Los Angeles Clippers in the first place (they lost by five). Nor should they have gotten blasted 107-86 on national TV by the Houston Rockets, who entered with a 6-7 record.

So far this season, the Warriors are 2-4 without Curry, but that follows a larger trend that’s becoming harder to ignore. Since 2014-15, Golden State is just 23-22 without Curry in uniform, outscored by a troubling 53 points in the middle of a dynasty.

That’s just the tip of the iceberg. If you go deeper into the numbers with regard to Curry's presence, that’s when things go from interesting to downright fascinating.

You can pluck All-Star after All-Star off the court like flower petals, and the Steph-led Warriors will still dominate like a champion. He's that transcendent of a player.

Since KD arrived at the start of the 2016-17 season, Curry, Thompson, Durant and Green have played 1,921 minutes as a group on the floor, according to the powerful pbpstats.com database. During that span, the Warriors are plus-16.9 per 100 possessions with that foursome on the court. When people complain that the Warriors are unfair, this is what they’re talking about -- a plus-16.9 point differential is the stuff of legend. (For reference, only three teams in the past decade have crossed the double-digit zone for a full season: the 2015-16 Warriors (who won 73 games), the '15-16 Spurs (who won 67 games) and the '14-15 Warriors that won (67 games).)

Now, let’s call back to Green’s outburst and examine the Warriors when we take Durant off the floor. What happens? Probably a big drop-off, right? I mean, the guy's an MVP, two-time Finals MVP and fifth all-time in career scoring average.

Actually, without KD, the Warriors are still super dominant. Golden State is plus-14.8 in 672 minutes with Curry, Thompson and Green playing without Durant.

We don’t need you. We won without you. Leave.

But Durant is not the only pending free agent in the Bay. Klay Thompson is headed to the open market in July, as well. What happens when you also remove Thompson and sit him on the bench next to Durant?

Same result: The Warriors are still juggernauts, registering a plus-13.9 in 526 minutes with Curry and Green on the floor without the help of Durant or Thompson.

Now comes the mind-blowing part -- let's take Draymond out of the equation and leave Curry by himself a cast of role players. No Durant. No Thompson. No Green.

With Curry rolling solo, the Warriors are still plus-14.3 in 216 minutes of action. That’s without the help of an MVP, a former Defensive Player of the Year and perhaps the second-greatest shooter ever not named Stephen Wardell Curry. The offense scores 116.6 points per 100 possessions in these lineups, which would be the league-leading offensive rating this season.

To recap, the Warriors go from plus-16.9 to plus-14.8 to plus-13.9 to plus-14.3 as you keep removing an All-Star from Curry. But as these numbers show, Curry is impervious. He's teammate-agnostic. For those that think Curry would struggle in another organization or in another system, it’s clear: He is the system.

* * *

Now, let's take Steph off the floor. What happens when Durant, Thompson and Green go without him? Uh, oh ... plus-4.9 in 591 minutes without Steph. So, you take Durant off the floor and the Warriors are still juggernauts (plus-14.8). But you take Curry away from the equation? They go from dominant to merely solid.

What if we looked at what happens with a solo Durant? If he truly is a better all-around player than Curry, it would stand to reason that he’d be able to fill in more gaps without stars around him. Remember, solo Curry still obliterated opponents without the help of other stars.

The scoreboard with solo Durant: Minus-0.5 in 417 minutes. Yes, a negative point differential. And that makes sense given the loss of starpower, but Curry has shown he doesn’t need others to win.

It gets even more stark when we isolate the Warriors’ four superstars. To fully capture the power of Curry, here’s the scoreboard with each Warriors solo act:

Lineup Net Rating Minutes
Solo Steph Plus-14.3 216
Solo Klay Plus-4.3 402
Solo KD Minus-0.5 417
Solo Draymond Minus-2.0 209
Each one is playing around .500 ball in their minutes -- except Curry. For those that believe Curry wouldn’t be Curry if it weren’t for the stars and system built around him, it’s hard to make a case considering opponents can’t stop him no matter who is flanking him.

Don’t believe these in-game lineup numbers? With Curry active and no Durant over the last three seasons, the Warriors are 24-3, outscoring opponents by 353 points for an average win margin of 13.1.

Remember when the Steph-led Warriors uncorked a 13-game win streak when Durant hurt his MCL in 2016? Believe it or not, that win streak is still rolling. In fact, the Steph-led, sans-Durant Warriors have won 21 straight games, with 16 of those victories registering by double-digit margins.

We don’t need you. We won without you. Leave.

* * *

The Warriors, of course, should want Durant to stay. This is Kevin freakin’ Durant. He won two Finals MVPs and has been a very public part of the organization’s run-up to the Chase Center’s grand opening next season. Some might argue that the Warriors don’t win the last two Finals without him. Green might argue otherwise. (It’s worth noting that Green’s public statement did not include an apology for what he said.)

But there’s a pile of evidence that, for the Warriors, Durant is a luxury, not a necessity. These last few games are a reminder that Durant-centric teams aren’t nearly as dominant as the Curry-led formations. If Durant leaves as a free agent, the organization can rally around the fact that they’re running it back, like the good ol’ days. That might be refreshing reset for a Warriors fan base that has used #StephBetter as a rallying cry over the last few seasons. (And yes, the postseason numbers show the same on/off ultra-dependence on Curry).

There was truth in Green’s words. The Warriors have won without Durant. They don’t need him. What’s been clear this year, and every year of this dynasty, they need Steph.

 

A whooping total of 216 minutes without an all star hahaha. If you still think hes dominating if he switches rosters with Harden, LOL no way. Hed be a great player yea, but I really dobut he could do what Harden did, not to mention HARDEN PUT UP BETTER NUMBERS THIS SERIES.

And no one here is saying Curry isnt great. He is def an all time great player to me, but Harden would do just as excellent or better if hed had the talent around him like Curry.

 

Classic!

So let's ignore that when James Harden, Clint Capela, Chris Paul and Eric Gordon are on the floor, we annihilate every single line up in that article with a plus 24.6.

Let's ignore it because I know - and I'm certain you know - that these kinds of stats are always wacky. Let's just take your word for it that somehow, someway Steph Curry is so good that Draymond Green and Klay Thompson and Kevin Durant are fool's gold.

You now have to pick your poison and we have to decide which side of your argument is BS.

How is James Harden hanging around in series with this guy for 2 years and with Kerr having the option to play or not play Durant, Klay, Draymond and the rest of the funky bunch?

What's causing us to be the most successful team against this guy who dwarfs Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain and Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Lebron James and all those guys?

 

very accurate
Skip Bayless even if i don't like him mentionned that Kawhi was horrible in game 6 vs Bucks from the 3. and that the only one made was "lucky bounce"
His shot was also blocked by Giannis in the closing minutes, and Siacam got the ball and made the layup.
so to your point, if Toronto lost, how would these mistakes and misses from Kawhi be viewed??
Now that they won, everything is forgotten

 

If you really watch games, you know Durant can make points any time, any way, just at his will. The dude is truly unstoppable.

 

You cannot replace Curry, the best you can do is Durant!

GSW.