Report: Chris Paul, James Harden argued about Rockets’ offensive style

None of those guys are to be discussed alongside LeBron, Hakeem, Jordan, Duncan, etc and all the other championship leaders until proven otherwise. Same goes for harden.

That's how it goes, and that's how it's always been.

And if they can't do it then they are in a lower tier.

 

Harden isn't LeBron and Harden has had much more help than LeBron did in Cleveland.

 

You’re correct, he’s never had more than one all-star on his team.

 

50% need roster improve
50% need coaching improve

 

All the players you mentioned are players that, at least in our opinion, Harden is better than, save for Durant. I view Harden on that Kawhi/LeBron/Durant/Curry tier. The only difference is Harden does not have the playoff moments that those players do. And yes...I know the circumstances surrounding him compared to those players, but once again...sorry...that’s part of being a superstar and a Top 5 player. You either get it done or you don’t, and Harden has certainly had his chances. I hope it happens.

You’re not wrong. I agree with pretty much everything you said. The Warriors are the favorites for a reason, and have the roster advantage.

But here’s my thing. Every game this year against Golden State was within 6 points. Harden and the Rockets were right there. You’re telling me fringe improvements by Harden won’t swing the series, and that’s where I disagree. Once again...I just watched Curry and Kawhi make fringe improvements to beat the Rockets and Bucks respectively. Your superstar doing that unequivocally DOES swing series. It lifts up the entire team. In my opinion, fringe improvements by the star help lead to fringe improvements by the rest of the team. Nobody’s talking about the Raptors role players. They’re talking about Kawhi being THE REASON for the Raptors taking down the Bucks. I want that for Harden. That may be too narrative-esque thinking, but I’ve started to really believe that.

And once again...because I’m really not trying to sound like a Harden hater. My posting history paints me as an absolute apologist of his. He obviously would benefit from a better supporting cast, and CP3 and Capela were terrible. I get it. I agree. I am *NOT* calling Harden a choker or a bum or demanding a trade. I just selfishly *WANT* that playoff dominance to happen that I know he’s capable of, but hasn’t had happen yet. I want him to do what Kawhi did last night and what Curry did to us in Round 2, or what LeBron did for Cleveland. That takes you from elite player to legend-status, and the Rockets were begging for it in Games 5 and 6 this year. It’s what we needed. We can talk about improving the roster with fringe role players and whatnot, but the reality is that isn’t happening, and this is the squad we have to roll with. And given how close our last 2 series were against GSW, and even last year when Games 6 and 7 were that close without Chris Paul, we know that our roster/strategy is very close.

It’s not about Harden being the problem. He’s obviously not, and I can’t name 5 better players. I just want him to be that solution that I am 100% confident he’s capable of being.

 

You mean the same Adelman offense that could never get over the hump because it could be countered in the playoffs

Betting trailblazer fans, Sacto fans might have an opinion more similar to how we feel about dantoni.

It would also be horribly ineffective with our personnel. It requires a triple threat big to make efficient. We don’t have that.

The triangle would fit our team much better

 

A lot of winner's bias in here and a lot of loser's bias. If you want to ask James to do more off ball stuff fine, right hand finishing cool, but the legnth to which you discuss this stuff is just ridiculous. All this stuff about offense and none about defense, thats just lol wow.

 

lol come on man. I said “essentially” and you know exactly what I mean. And I was actually referring to Klay, KD and Steph not Draymond. I know they beat us without Durant.

Klay is absolutely capable of being a very good teams highest scorer. Not best player, best scorer. There is no one outside of Harden on Houston who has that capability.

No need to really discuss Curry and KD. Those 2 are both generally put ABOVE Harden in player rankings.

I don’t understand why the biggest problem in beating this team is so easily dismissed.

They have more players capable of “seizing the moment”, they generally don’t ALL “seize the moment” at the same time. But since they almost always have at least 1 someone seizing the moment they all get to reap the reward of being recognized as guys who always seize the moment.

 

I agree with you.....Harden cannot undo what those 3 or 4 guys do on the GSW.

Harden carries half the talent or 2/3 of talent on the Rockets....that is too much.

 

Actually, the team with the best players and role players win.

 

Exactly, not like Horry, Sam Cassell and Amigo didn’t ball out in 94.

 

My spreadsheet says 51% and 49%.

 

Second chance points killed us

Rocket River

 

Welp. This is getting r****ded! Two grown Ass Men getting paid more money than I will ever fathom of seeing in a lifetime, Arguing and Bickering qas when cohesiveness should have gotten them the W. Talk about articles that keep pouring salt on the wounds.
Unless Paul gets traded, Harden not Paul needs to realize that the only way he is going to win in the next two or three years is to figure out how to keep Paul happy and productive. It also goes with everyone that Morey signs and surrounds him with. I could care less about Harden winning an MVP or scoring championships. I could care less what the media has to say about us as a team during the regular season or if Kellerman has his mouth gaping wide open at a Houston Glory hole to please every Rockets Fan. Harden deserves every bit the criticism at this point. Right now the two MVP'S are looking more like Curry and Kawhi. That's it. Their teams are in the finals and both players showed up when they needed to. They put team before themselves and when it was time to shine the entire team had their backs. At this point the only guy in my opinion that is untouchable on our roster is PJ Tucker! He Da Real MVP!
Harden is definitely a special player. He has a gift and is damn good at what he does. I just can't see him winning unless he gets an attitude overhaul.

 

My point is just that harden has to outplay curry. If he's the better player, the rockets win that series. People are way overrating Klay and green. Curry is the reason they are winning.

Also people have already forgotten that the rockets were favored by 7.5 points in game 6 and people were saying the rockets were the better team with Durant out. People were saying the rockets would be better if Durant leaves for NY next year. Now the same people are saying the line was obviously wrong, but that's only because curry so thoroughly outplayed harden. Curry has raised his game without Durant, harden needs to raise his game to that level or Kawhi level to win a chip.

And if he can't, if he's a Ewing or karl Malone there is no shame in that. Those were great players. But we can stop whining about media bias and how he was robbed of multiple mvps and how he's the best offensive player ever

 

Maybe Klay but most certainly not Green. You wont find another player in this league like Draymond. And Harden did outperform Curry.

He was not thoroughly out played by Curry, its just a false statement, go check his stats. And NO THEY ARE NOT BETTER WITOUT DURANT. No one will tell you that, even Warriors players wont tell you that. Lets see how far they get without Durant against Toronto. LOL oh yea I forgot their other All Star Boogie is coming back soon.

This lacks any kind of nuance at all.

 

Look at curry vs harden after Durant went out. Look at Curry's stats since then.


And Draymond can't shoot. I'm not even sure he would fit on the rockets because he can't hit a corner 3. What's the use of his playmaking here if harden has the ball or is standing at halfcourt?

And yes KD makes their offense worse. The warriors winning % without KD is actually better

 

Hardens stats vs Curry’s from the moment Durant left are very very similar. Basketball reference had Harden with the better game score for game 6.

Based on your posting history I know you know better than your comment on Draymond. He would be amazing for us.

 

I think @jordnnnn made my point clear. And Curry has played well many times with Durant, he just didnt do as well as Harden this series with a better team, those are the facts.

Also look at their PO record WITH Durant and get back to me.

 

Game 6 Curry had 33 points, .664 ts%, only 3 turnovers and a 130 ortg.

Harden had 35 points on .578 ts%, 6 turnovers, and a 110 ortg.

It was probably even worse in the 4th.

How would Draymond fit offensively? He thrives on ball movement and high pace. He sucks at shooting.