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The future of the EU and the UK, post-Brexit

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Dec 4, 2016.

  1. No Worries

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    Fruit Adventure indeed.
     
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  2. MojoMan

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    This is bordering on inconceivable for me, but is it possible that the British press is even more biased, more deceitful and more openly aggressive in pushing a globalist establishment elite left propaganda agenda than our media is in the US?

    Honestly, I do not think that is actually possible, but this story about the BBC conducting televised panels about the EU Parliamentary elections without a member representing the clear leaders in this contest - the Brexit Party - not once but now twice in two weeks, has got me wondering about this:

    BBC Question Time FURY: No Brexit Party panellist AGAIN despite leading EU election polls

    No member of Nigel Farage’s eurosceptic group will have the chance to debate on the flagship debate programme despite being ahead in the polls. Instead, the popular political broadcast will feature politicians from the Tories and Labour. Guests joining host Fiona Bruce include Damian Green MP, Tracy Brain, Camilla Cavendish, Miatta Fahnbulleh and Simon Jordan.

    Mr Farage hit out at BBC Question Time last week after it didn’t feature any Brexit Party candidates. He told a crowd at a rally in Wolverhampton: “We can choose to buy different newspapers. We can choose to listen to different commercial radio stations. Where I have a problem is when we are effectively taxed £150 a year just to have a television in our house. When the public service broadcaster does not put a single representative of this new party on any major television programme, even when we have gone from nothing to topping the polls."​

    Do these people at the BBC - the leading - government subsidized - news organization in the UK have no shame at all? This kind of propaganda is so far over the top that it might actually make Joseph Goebbels blush. What could they do to make it any more obvious that they are pushing a partisan agenda than this?
     
  3. Gdaliya

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    https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live...gnation-announcement-0524-gbr-intl/index.html

    Goodbye Theresa, cant wait to see who will replace her.

    Is it bad that i'm looking on it with a comic view?(especially considering some of the pepole nominated to replace her).

    Adding the most likely win of the Brexit party in the European parliament elections(absurd isn't it?) i got to congratulate Britian on suppressing Belgium and becoming the European country with the craziest and weirdest political system right now.

    Side note i guess there aren't many European here since i dont see any talking about this weekend elections?
     
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  4. No Worries

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    The tick done tocked.
     
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    Like a hot knife through butter -- I personally can't imagine this going any smoother.
     
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  6. pirc1

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    Let Boris Johnson take care of this mess.
     
  7. MojoMan

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    Theresa May has announced that she is resigning as the leader of the Tory party effective June 7, 2019. And with that, the race to be her replacement is on.

    Theresa May confirms she will resign as leader of the Conservative Party on June 7
    • Theresa May will resign as Prime Minister on June 7
    • She will remain an MP, her association chairman reveals
    • Tory leadership race expected to start on June 10
    • Tory vice chair quits to campaign for leadership candidate
    • David Cameron: I feel desperately sorry for PM
     
  8. MojoMan

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    The contenders to be the new Prime Minister are queuing up without any apparent need for a mourning period for the passing of Theresa May's Prime Ministership. One of the first out of the gates is Boris Johnson, who is running his campaign within the party around a "No deal" Brexit if he is chosen.

    Boris Johnson warns 'prepare for NO DEAL' as he unveils strategy

    The former Foreign Secretary, who has announced he would like to replace Theresa May as the leader of the Conservative Party, said this would be the best way to proceed if Britain is to negotiate a suitable Brexit agreement. Just hours after the Prime Minister sensationally announced she was resigning, Mr Johnson told an economic in Switzerland: "We will leave the EU on October 31, deal or no deal. The way to get a good deal is to prepare for a no deal.”

    But despite this warning, Mr Johnson insisted Britain can still forge a “fantastic free trade relationship” with the bloc after it leaves the European Union.​

    It appears that Boris is the early favorite. But to be fair, he was the early favorite last time around, too. There will be a number of other very worthy alternatives. This will be interesting to watch, for those of you who like to follow this kind of thing.
     
  9. pirc1

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    Why would anyone want to be the PM at this moment?
     
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  10. MojoMan

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    For all of the ordinary reasons. And also to finish leading the UK out of the EU, as Boris Johnson expressed very clearly his intention to do in the article I quoted above.
     
  11. Major

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    That's a nice theory and all, but in reality, Parliament has already demonstrated there are 400+ votes to block no-deal brexit and force the PM to ask for extension. That's exactly what would happen again if they got to October without a deal.

    Changing PM's does nothing to solve the fundamental problem - that there is not a majority for anything in parliament. Everyone seems to be trying their hardest to avoid letting people actually vote, but at the end of the day, the solution will involve the public, whether it be a general election to get a new parliament, or a referendum.

    Everyone in government is scared to death of that, because they aren't sure what the result of that vote would be.
     
  12. pirc1

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    like I said, let him clean it up if he can.
     
  13. MojoMan

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    Actually, no. They voted to request an extension to June 30, 2019. That passed by a one vote margin. Without that, the UK would have left on April 12.

    And that was obtained because Theresa May just assumed that leaving with no deal was off the table, and in fact trumped the default law of the land, which was to leave the EU on April 12. It is extremely likely that the new PM will not handle this matter with any such assumptions. In fact, as you can see, the candidates are coming out quite publicly and stating that leaving October 31 is the goal, deal or no deal.

    There does not need to be any additional votes for the UK to leave the EU on October 31, 2019. That is the default law of the land and the only way that does not happen is if Parliament steps in stop it from happening. Last time, they managed to achieve the required level of support by a one vote margin. After these EU Parliamentary elections - which is poised to be a massive wipe-out for the Tories - and also the replacement of Theresa May with a pro-Brexit PM, the odds are that this does not go the same way again.
     
  14. Major

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    LOL good luck with this. You've been 100% wrong on everything you've believed on this. You'll be wrong again. It's sad, but it's just who you are.
     
  15. MojoMan

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    Actually, the only significant thing that I can recall being wrong about was expecting that Theresa May would follow through on promises she made dozens, and in some cases hundreds of times. I was wrong about that. But on most of the rest of this, I have just been stating the facts about where the UK is in the process, what the default outcomes are, what the next votes are going to be, etc.

    Talk about wrong, when is that second referendum happening? Or the revocation of Article 50?

    Not even the Labour party will come out and identify clearly with either of these alternatives. And these at the end of the day really are the only two alternatives, if the EU is not going to be willing to negotiate a deal that allows the UK to completely and totally leave the EU, which the current deal doesn't.

    If you want to stop Brexit, these are your choices and so far, despite your predictions, they have not been seriously embraced at all. Meanwhile, Brexit with no deal on October 31, 2019 has received parliamentary support and is the default law of the land. And that is a fact.
     
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    MP's could not stop a no deal Brexit under a new, pro-Brexit Prime Minister, Tories warn:

    MPs couldn’t stop no-deal under new prime minister, Tories warn

    A new prime minister could trigger a no-deal Brexit without parliament having the power to stop it, senior Conservatives are warning colleagues.

    In a stark message to MPs, supporters of Theresa May’s deal have said that if Boris Johnson or Dominic Raab were elected to succeed her then the House of Commons could be sidelined from the process of leaving the European Union.

    They have been backed by the Institute for Government, a Whitehall think tank, which said that although MPs could express an opinion they would not have “legal teeth” to stop a no-deal Brexit.
    Of course that was also the case with Theresa May, had she decided to stand her ground and not exceed her mandate. But at the end of the day, she folded up like a five dollar lawn chair under pressure from the globalist establishment elites.

    If the next Tory leader stands their ground and determines to lead the UK out of the EU on October 31, 2019, then it appears that is very likely what will occur. If the British MP's want to stop that from happening, the key is to choose another anti-Brexit Prime Minister. So, that will very likely be the decision point as to what happens next.
     
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    Will Boris Johnson define what Brexit means?

    Real easy to campaign on a vague notion.
     
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    Short of revoking Article 50, it's not possible for parliament to stop the PM from leaving with no deal if he chooses.
     
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    That's not remotely true. They can require the PM to ask for an extension (as they did this time), and if they wanted, they could set the terms for that. Juncker has already said he expects the UK to ask for another extension. If it comes down to it, they will do that because they know it's better than no-deal. And the EU will gripe and complain as they did this time, but if they do ask, the EU will grant it because ... it's better than no-deal. The same principles will apply in October as they did in March.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...prioritising-theresa-mays-removal-over-brexit

    Junker told CNN that he was “fed up” with the ongoing impasse but suggested that Brussels was resigned to a further request to extend the UK’s membership this autumn.
     

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