And i'm not sure how you guys got there ??? I know the term is "moreyball" , but does anyone really think Morey tells MDA how to play ? I remember he made some suggestions to JBB a few years ago , but c'mon thats JB. Morey let Mchale coach how he wanted. He let Adelman coach how he wanted. He let JVG coach how he wanted. People say " he got old players so MIke had to play slow" Dude, MDA ASKED for those vets. Remember MDA " I dont play bad rookies" Remeber MDA not playing Harrell at all vs the spurs ? Remeber him not playing dekker vs the spurs ( until game 6)? MDA will play young guys only out of necessity. He run's light practices in order to play his main guys heavy minutes. How is anyone supposed to develop ? We have two of the best passers in the NBA . How is it that we have a "system" where we depend on them to break their man down in isolation ? Do you really not think Harden can shoot off ball if he started getting multiple attempts per game ? Do you think paul and harden cant play as pieces of an offense vs being the entire offense ? Sure , Morey is responsible for the talent that MDA has to work with. But, i think that Morey also had to work with getting under the tax AND finding players that mike will play. Mike loves playing small ... ergo we pick up more guards. Morey may provide stats that show harden isolation is the most PPP , but its up to mike to choose to spam that play every single ****ing time . The whole moreyball started anyways as a very simple " avoid long two's in favor of three's" it didn't say to avoid all midrange ... just that if you were gonna spot up , better to spot up behind the line than with a foot on it. THATS ALL . If anyone has actual information that Morey is insterting himself into the lineup decisions or sets we run, then feel free to correct me. But , I think you HAVE to attribute our on court style to the coach ( as is the obvious conclusion) Given this , I also think MDA needs to go .... but thats a whole nother post. Plus, MDA has always been the stubborn one. When we talk about morey making mistakes... the next line is almost always " he fixes them quickly." I think one guy has shown the ability to adapt and the other guy well, he has his reputation for a reason
thx for reminding me about harrell now. the kid's first game in preseason he killed SAS and i was like we need to develop his skills with playing time during the season. of course this stubborn stump d'antoni barely played him. although when he did get some time against GS he was also like the only guy in the league to step to donkey. smh
He had GREAT season for us. Multiple high 20's game. Both him and Dekker showed up BIG v GS in the regular season ( game right around new years) Then dekker got hurt towards the end of the season so he was out of practice. And MDA started to phase out harrell for nene ... nothing wrong with what MDA did YET. Then when nene got hurt vs OKC and dekker was recovered and harrell has just been waiting to play the whole time ... he just forgets about them MDA's two constants when in trouble 1 ) play small 2) cut your rotation This works in the regular season. But i dont know if its ever worked for him in the playoffs. What usually happens is that James or CP3 will pick us up out of it. But, there is only so many times they can go to the well. And when you play a more talented team its 2 of them vs 4 guys on GS. He has no backup plan. He doesn't develop players. He pigeonholes guys into roles. He relies WAY too much on James and Chris to bail us out. Don't even get me started on the timeouts man
Yes. Unless we have some weird situation where Tilman demands we keep MDA and Morey wants him fired... but i dont think TIl will do that given its a recipe for disaster to have coach and GM who dont wanna work with each other Morey chooses the coach. If he keeps MDA and MDA keeps letting us down ( like he has in my opinion) then the responsibility ultimately falls back on morey
We need better players its that simple, its not all MDAs fault when Clint can't make any shots under the rim! Plus if you fire MDA, theres no coach out there than can replicate this offensive system. It just needs a few tweaks and players who can create their own shot, dont have too many of those.
True clint sucked. But he could have played farried in any of the first 4 games but chose not to. Farried didnt miss for personal reasons until game 5
In all fairness, when Montrezl was here, he averaged roughly one bonehead play every two minutes. Most coaches would have pulled him. Credit to the guy that he finally figured out how to minimize the mistakes and stay in the game longer.
Morey is not the problem.. MDA panics and Harden doesn't have the mindset to be the greatest player in the league. Harden has a midrange turnaround jumper that made him players choices MVP and MVP runner up for years. It's Harden who stopped using these tools that would have gotten him a championship by now not Morey's system. I would like to add that it was Le$$ who chose MDA to coach the Rockets not Morey.
i hear you but why doesn't MDA's "no boneheads" zone then apply to guys like chumpert as well. homey was a fukup a minute for us smh
Rockets never lose becoz of offense. They always lose for poor defense. We even have great offense with McHale coaching. We need defensive minded coach who has real coaching.
we are not a bad defensive team because we lost to the warriors. please keep in mind that team is not like others. our defense was great last year, and this year once we got the full roster. do we need more size ? absolutely. but all things considered we were ok there. offensively we dont always get good looks late because we tend to just dribble the clock down to 5 seconds then force a contested shot. at the end of the day we lost some very close games to a great team. maybe harden should have went harder late, maybe mike D should have played more guys, maybe cp3 should have shown up more than one game, maybe the refs should not have screwed us game 1, maybe we should not have doubled steph and let draymond play 2 on 1 or 4 on 3 so often.... maybe making steph ISO all game would have been better, or maybe we lose by 20 instead.
system works fine. we just need consistent and PHYSICAL players. i say we trade capela paul and gordon for upgrades.
No offense to you man cause I like you but this whole thread is just scapegoating. I know something is wrong when one of the criticisms is Faried didn’t get more minutes. Dudes who already hated D’Antoni were looking for any excuse
To me it's not more minutes It's any minutes Maybe he looks as bad or even worse than Clint . But , to me you've got to try him out . Especially when nene was having some success . All it takes is a hustle play here or there to spark a run , something we didn't have very much of . But like I said . I intended this thread not to be about firing MDA (though I think he should go) .... I just wanna state my mind that "Moreyball" isn't due to Morey ... our offensive system is because of MDA . Morey isn't gonna tell a coach of MDA's experience what to do . Like I said , he might make suggestions , but at the end of the day the on-court choices are MDA's
I actually blame him for the offseason, I know Fertitta was a big reason but still. Melo and MCW really?
