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Why suddenly everone is sooo far right

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by dachuda86, May 6, 2019.

  1. dachuda86

    dachuda86 Member

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    The poor especially have it easy in America.
     
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    Not compared to every other developed nation
     
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    Why is everyone so far right? Well I think you can see the answer in the graph you posted. While there is a lot more red for 2017, the median line for Republicans shifted only slightly to the right. The median line for the Democrats had an extreme shift to the left. The extreme left shift is what drove many people who were in the center to identify as Republican. The better question is why is everyone so far left?
     
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    The poor get free everything. Can't beat that. Rich corporate welfare happens too, making being rich easier than ever as well. The middle class has been told to eat a dick in the US.
     
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    In that case, how about you send me all your money.
     
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    People forget that legalizing gay marriage is something really recent even though it feels like ages ago. It’s not shocking to me that statistically Dem voters or liberals have moved as society has moved very fast the past 10 years.

    The bigger question is though.... are liberals wrong to have moved for the reasons they are moving? Health care expansion, human rights for all, education rights... why are these issues considered bad to move for?

    When you see the move right on the other side it’s probably good for society that they haven’t moved quite as far right as liberals have moved left. What do those ambitions mean for society if they move as far as the left has moved? Let’s be honest here ... it wouldn’t be a balanced budget based on what their policy goals are currently under the rule of our right wing government and other right wing rulers globally such as Putin, Erdogan, and others.
     
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    So go be poor if it’s so easy then. Pretty simple.
     
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    Why would anyone do that when it is so easy to better yourself via hard work? Nobody is forced to stay poor in this country.
     
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    I said it was easy, but leeching off others is not fulfilling nor anyway for a man to live.
     
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    Until you get cancer and years of hard work are wiped out via medical bills.
     
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    Here is the basket of 10 questions the Pew study points to as responsible for the divide (page 7 of the report):

    1. Government regulation of business usually does more harm than good
    2. Government is almost always wasteful and inefficient
    3. Poor people have it easy because they can get government benefits without doing anything in return
    4. The government today can't afford to do much more to help the needy
    5. Most corporations make a fair and reasonable amount of profit
    6. Blacks who can't get ahead in this country are mostly responsible for their own condition
    7. Immigrants today are a burden on our country because they take our jobs, housing and health care
    8. Homosexuality should be discouraged by society
    9. The best way to ensure peace is through military strength
    10. Stricter environmental laws and regulations cost too many jobs and hurt the economy
    I suppose being the good liberal I am, I can give the liberal answer on 8 of those.

    What I think is interesting is that the Dem and Rep lines seem to usually run in parallel on these questions for the first decade of the window, and then there's an inflection point somewhere between Bush's second term and Obama's presidency (slash Great Recession). In 2004, the Republicans were as liberal as they were to get and by the time they were polled again in 2011, they'd returned to Contract for America level conservatism. The only exception I see is that Republicans did not reverse course on homosexuality. In a few cases (numbers 4, 6, 9, and 10), Republicans were already more conservative in 2011 than they were in 1994. Meanwhile, except for a 2004-to-2011 bump on some questions, Democrats just kept going in the same direction of becoming more liberal. It looks like they gained momentum in the 2014 and 2017 surveys.

    So, yeah, I see the argument that Democrats have moved quite a bit since 1994. I can also see the argument that 2004 was the snapshot of when Republicans and Democrats were most aligned and that the events through 2011 (Bush's wars, the Great Recession, Obama's election, who knows what) made Republicans do a big about-face. You can see in on page 12 where they show a third distribution curve, for 2004. I think honestly both are true. Democrats have been getting more liberal over the last quarter-century, but Republicans have getting more conservative (or maybe populist?) over the last decade.
     
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    Exactly how much money do you think poor people get from the gov't? Do you know anything about social services and the lives of poor people?
     
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    Personally, I think winning the Presidential election popular vote twice but losing the electoral college twice played a huge role. The anger and resentment of this occurring twice had to have radicalized many leftists.
     
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    Enough. And we could allocate more for US citizens if we round up the illegals and put more to work in the process.
     
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    Some of you people are sick. Sick in your minds. Sick, bitter, and looking for something to blame for the life you have. The poor are an easy target. They can’t hurt you, not really. You think they are hurting your “pocketbook.” That’s not what is really behind what you’re feeling. You hate the poor because you hate yourselves.
     
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    How much? I'm curious as to how much you think a poor person gets in food stamps and welfare a month....and how much we'd get rounding up illegals.

    You seem to be able to make up a lot of stuff but never seem to have anything to backup your fantasies
     
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    Is it a coincidence that every time I see your screen name I think it's Dachau?
     
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    Trap question. No matter what I say you will spin it as wrong. Go troll someone else.

    You have to take into account a ton of things set up for poor slobs, beyond how much they get in food stamps. You have to also understand economics beyond your level, as you have proven you don't have a firm grasp on supply and demand and how it plays out with labor.
     
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    FIFY
     
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    Cable news?
     

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