He's not that good. He can dominate the ball, and pass really well. The only thing that allows those skills to be used properly is his stamina. Other than that, he's useless offensively. Yes, he defends bigs well, but that's also because he has teammates that are athletic, long, and has high motor. Put KD, Iggy, Livingston on this Rockets team, I promise you we're having a different conversation about Dray.
Better than Embiid, Anthony Davis, Joker, Al Horford, etc? Does LeBron, Giannis, Durant, Ben Simmons qualify as "big men"? If not, then what makes Draymond a big man and those guys not?
Who on your list was passing to Klay, Curry, KD, and Iggy? That helps a little. That said, of course Green is better than Tucker. But I bet the drop off wouldn’t be as great as you make it out to be. I also bet Tucker would produce way more offense from 3 than Green. And I know how much you love 3’s.
Green isn't the best big man in the league, especially in a vacuum. In a one-on-one league, he'd be way down the list. In a five-on-five league, he's closer to the top, but still not the best. That said, he's really good and might be fashioning a Hall of Fame case. He's one of the best defenders of his generation (and it's not just "high motor"--he's a defensive genius who understands angles and schemes better than anyone), he's one of the best passing power forwards ever (considering his ability to process and pass on the move) and he scores and rebounds enough to fill in gaps depending on what his team needs. He's a perpetually underrated component in the Warriors' machine, apart from the occasional think pieces that overrate him as the "most important member of the Warriors."
The rules have changed and the role of big men has changed along with it …. traditional bigs simply have no place in this league anymore.
He had his best assist year before KD arrived. Iggy??? 3s are made at relatively low %, so that offsets assists to big men. We aren't counting pts per shot here. Bird had McHale, Parish, DJ and Ainge. Assists to big men come at a higher finish rate, than passing to Curry/Klay for a three. He gets a lot of assists, because he proved he's the main person to run the offense versus the Curry PnR that was featured by Mark Jackson. The offense is designed around his abilities to pass. bottomline: PJ would instantly limit their choices of offense system, and you either change to PnR like Curry previously ran, or do something like Pacer's did with Reggie, because you aren't going to feature PJ with the ball, making decisions. not sure what that means. I guess it means you hate 3s. So, PJ is going to go from shooting 5 threes a game to what? 7 or 8 like Klay? You make it sound like he doesn't already shoot a ton of corner threes, which are hard to free up. Let's say he does get equal to Klay's 3FA/gm. You think he'll go from 7ppg to 11ppg? Because Green has scored 11 ppg three times in his career, 14 on a 73-win team, prior to KD showing up.
Green is the best role player in the NBA. He will gladly do all the dirty work. Green is the biggest reason the Warriors defense isn't bad. He can guard 5 spots well and he almost never makes a mistake on switching. He also has an incredible IQ. Green would be an exceptional fit on the Rockets. He also has hit 3's in the past, he has had to defer since KD joined so he doesn't focus on it.
stop it....he is not the best...but one helped the most by the refs... if he were to be officiated like dwight howard...he would now be worse player than dwight and he would have ZERO RINGS
Yeah. I disagree. I think Tucker would be excellent in the GS system. There wouldn’t be a big drop off. He does well for us with much less talent surrounding him.
well, OK. Let's make it clear, then. We disagree because I don't think you know what a 5-out motion system is when you take away it's best passer/ballhandler and replace it with a Spot-up shooter who fumbles the ball a lot when trying to make decisions, and barely ever attacks the rim, even with all the spacing we provide, because he can't dribble better than Ariza. There would be a HUGE drop-off, such that they'd have to change their offensive system. Maybe it works, but the system would have to change.
Nope. PJ would keep shooting 3’s at a much better percentage than Green. He would play switching defense almost as well. He would be able to rebound and hustle almost as well. GS obviously wouldn’t ever run the offense through him but they have Klay, Curry, and KD to take care of that. It might make them better because my favorite thing to see when GS is on offense is Green dribbling the ball up the court or shooting 3’s. I’d rather Green have the ball in his hands than Klay, Curry, or KD. Anyway, if you want to see how good Green really is then let’s see him lead a team as the number 1 or 2 guy. He can’t. He would fail miserably. He’s a rich man’s Tucker.
Draymond is best at poking opponents' eyeballs. 2018 LeBron. 2019 Harden. They all happen to be the best player in the opposing team.
Lunacy. Green has won a DPoY and been in contention for it several other years. He's one of the best defenders of his generation. The idea that Tucker is almost on his level defensively is willful ignorance. Tucker is a good defender. Green is a historically great defender. That's a pretty important gap. And that's just their individual abilities. Green is also the quarterback of their defense, calling things out, initiating switches or pre-switches, getting teammates into the right spots because he knows where the opposing offense is going to end up. The idea that Tucker can do any of that is insane. Replacing Green with Tucker would take Golden State from great defensively (when they're locked in) to above average. That's a massive difference.
The only other person in this league that could have possibly matched that criteria already joined the team this past offseason. That says a lot about everyone as a whole in the NBA.
These guys have to police themselves. Waiting for the refs to save you from the bully is just being soft. That's on the players. Not taking advantage of a 4 to 5 inches of height by punishing him in the post is soft. No big is willing to challenge the guy within the confines of basketball or outside lines. This whole damn crop of NBA big men act like they fear the guy and it's ridiculous. They should be dominant vs a 6'7 guy, yet they are FAR FROM IT.
