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Mueller: Letter to Barr says Summary, “Failed to Capture Context, Nature & Substance” of Report

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  1. NewRoxFan

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    Word you didn't mention Medicare itself as a failure...
     
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    Mueller does have some explaining to do but Barr can hardly be thought of as a truth teller.
     
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    The whole premise of that article assumes that what Barr told Congress is the truth which is quite a gratuitous assumption to Barr given his track record for lying over the past month.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    LOOOOOOLLL...

    "the real crimes"

    When does Barr get flushed away during the rest of the swamp drainage?
     
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    Don't know who or what the federalist blogger and you are trying to argue down... both barr and the NBC report both said the president received some form of briefing on general threat of russian interference. Your complaint was that flynn wasn't named?
     
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    Yeah you know the attempt to overthrow a sitting president. If he doesn't go all in on prosecuting all those involved then he should be flushed.
     
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    I’m sure putting McCabe, Comey, and Hillary Clinton on trial for the crimes of... conspiracy to do.... something.... will go over really well.

    (Also ... it was Trumps own Justice dept that appointed the special counsel so you MUST indict Rosenstein if your conspiracy theory is has any validity)

    Unless you FoxNews junkies just want to go full blown authoritarian and start just jailing Americans without a fair trial. Or maybe just hang them all in public like the good ole days.
     
  12. mick fry

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    Just a solid two year investigation for everyone involved by an independent counsel is all I ask.
     
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    How many indictments, guilty pleas, and indictments did Mueller get again?

    Is the presidents personal lawyer not going to jail and his campaign chair not already in jail?

    Would a special counsel investigating Clinton and the Deep State have that type of criminal evidence to prosecute a case... and most importantly... win a guilty verdict with?

    My point is Comey and then Rosenstein/Wray had the predicate of already open investigations to validate the appointment of a special counsel. They knew there was even enough probable cause to have a Bush appointed Federal Judge sign off on FISA surveillance of a self described advisor to the Kremlin. They had grifters like Manafort in the purview who had decades of known criminality to leverage. From a prosecutorial perspective, this appointment was a slam dunk to justify to the American Public and the judiciary.

    Do you really... I mean really think DOJ wants to put their credibility on the line to prosecute people like Andrew McCabe, Rod Rosenstein, and Bruce Orr when they have to ultimately show a jury and ultimately the American people the supporting evidence they have to justify opening a probe like this basically just to appease tin foil hat FoxNews crazies and our idiot in Chief?

    If Attorney Generals like Matt Whitaker and Jeff Sessions don’t want to put their “credibility” on the line to prosecute these guys then what does that say about said Deep State evidence that exists to open a special counsel probe? If there was evidence there, how the hell would Jeffery Sessions resist the itch to prosecute the Deep State Dems?

    So by all means ... do it. Prosecute them William Barr. See what happens when they plead not guilty and go to trial. At second thought, you probably are better off politically with just a public hanging.
     
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    There is ample evidence already to start a full fledge investigation, we’ll see if Barr does his job. Sessions was a patsy.
     
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    Please show it to me because I haven't seen it.
     
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    There has not been an attempt to overthrow a sitting president. There are legal means to remove a sitting president and those haven't been activated as of yet. Though advocating those is in no way an illegal attempt to overthrow a sitting president.
     
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    I have no legal training, though I am a life-long student of logic and strategy. I like Harris a lot. However, I'm not copacetic with how she pursued that line of questioning. Barr said he accepted Mueller's summary of evidence as correct. I don't think the issue was Barr/Rosenstein's failure to review the evidence. If they have accepted the evidence as correct, the questions are 1) why Barr and Rosenstein chose not to pursue charges despite the volume of evidence they say they trust, and 2) why Barr chose to misrepresent--to lie about--Mueller's conclusions.
     
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    We need an Attorney General who isn't compromised. Barr's net worth is about $20 million, but his law firm represents Alfa Bank, a Russian criminal cartel controlled bank. the head of Alfa is Mikahil Fridman, who has ties to Manafort, and others. Alfa Bank was furious about the Steele Dossier, which exposed their many ties to the Putin cartel. Barr also personally received dividends from the Vector Group; which means he held stock in that criminally compromised company. The Vector Group is a huge holding firm with big investments in New York real estate. Barr’s firm also represented a giant holding company, The Ligget Group (Formerly known as the big tobacco holding operations of Ligget-Myers) The Vector Group was heavily invested in the New York real estate market and through that, the Trump Organization where a lot of Russian kleptocrats laundered their money. The president of The Vector Group, Howard Lorber, introduced Trump to the Moscow real estate market in the 1990’s. Why were these Alfa Bank connections not investigated during Barr’s confirmation process?
     
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    It says it right in the tweet if you would simply read it.

    "This lack of notification meant the campaign was unable to address the problems with each campagin member and was ignorant about the potential national security concerns."

    In other words, the Obama administration let members of the Trump campaign who they suspected were "potential counterintelligence concerns" continue to serve knowing this (and thus potentially risk national security) rather than to allow the Trump campaign to know and deal with it quickly.
     
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    Once trump's team was warned of "potential counterintelligence concerns" (btw, the same warning given to Clinton's campaign) did trump's team ask any further questions, or even consider what people on their team were interacting with foreign? They knew members of their team had interactions (though apparently some on their team lied about interactions and still others were lying about the people that were having the interactions (including trump).

    btw, what was the document the federalist blogger was referencing... Mueller's report?
     
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