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The significance of having a 3-point shooting center available

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Tuk88, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. sirbaihu

    sirbaihu Member

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    Agree with you about the hate and negativity, but:

    If Hartenstein is a good shooter, then we do already have a stretch center available.
    Meanwhile, your original post says having a stretch center "on the floor," which is different from "available." The post mentions Cousins and Giannis. Of course, every team should have a Giannis- or Cousins-type center available if possible.
     
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  2. YOLO

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    AD is the only one that comes close to checking every single box, and even then he isn't that great of a 3 pt threat. teams would gladly live with him taking long 3's
     
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    That's neither funny nor pure.

    Yao faints...
     
  4. amaru

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    Dedmon would be ideal.......but yea
     
  5. Tuk88

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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/brook-lopez-deep-3point-shooter-milwaukee-bucks-11549917024

    This article highlights a few things about the Bucks that are very interesting:

    1. They don’t have TWO big men who can shoot threes, they have THREE.
    2. Lopez isn’t considered a three-point shooter, he’s considered what they're now calling a "FOUR point shooter".
    3. Lopez joins the team and now Giannis is likely MVP? Yes, that’s not a coincidence.

    In other words, they’re taking the Rockets three-point system to another level, while we argue over burner accounts and why nothing needs to change or can change. Glad y’all are not in business and spending all your free time here.

    So, cue the posts that now I’m a secret Bucks fan trolling this board. Great.
     
  6. sirbaihu

    sirbaihu Member

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    Your point is well taken, but you haven't responded to many people in the thread. . . .

    Yeah, I agree it would be great to have all of the Bucks' centers or Cousins. . . . Now what? You can't have every player just because you think he's good.
     
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    KD is that you?
     
  8. topfive

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    I realize you're trying hard to make a point here, but it's a pretty sure bet that absolutely nothing that occurs on ClutchFans prevents the Rockets from making personnel moves. Arguing over burner accounts is exactly as likely to bring about roster changes as discussing the need to take the 3-point system to another level.

    Unless Morey is Holic, of course, in which all bets are off.
     
  9. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN

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    Do you guys think Thon Maker can be made available? Let's trade Capela for him straight up.
     
  10. Tuk88

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    Other than luckyman, which people would it make sense to respond to? Seriously, it's like finding a needle in a haystack. I try to post articles/research vs opinions. Also, you would think I shot Inchan’s dog or something, or worse. What the hell? You'd think I was a Mavericks fan or something. Man, if I could point out what’s wrong with the world today... (and no, I'm not referring to Mavericks fans)...

    Anyway, rim protecting centers that shoot threes: https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/04/17/five-out-nba-entering-era-of-3-point-shooting-centers/ or http://bit.ly/snarktrolls vs starting a whole new thread, or not knowing where that was already discussed. I just find it ironic that this is considered a trend across the NBA, yet the Rockets aren't part of it, but wow, maybe I should have just kept that irony to myself.

    I think giving up a few offensive rebounds is worth not having your MVP completely neutralized. Also, speaking of rhythm, the stretch center doesn’t have to start, just be available to at the very least allow your MVP to gain some badly needed rhythm, and remember what it was like to play like an MVP. Or, we can start another James Frauden thread.

    The bottom line is, do I feel the Rockets can find a way to add or develop a stretch center that can rim protect and switch WELL ENOUGH to see some minutes in strategic situations, vs not have one at all? Yes.

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  11. roslolian

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    The likely MVP is Giannis and not freaking Brook Lopez. If Lopez going to the Bucks and Giannis likely becoming MVP "is not a coincidence" how come no MVPs have come up in LA and NJ/BKN Nets? Not a coincidence Lopez has played for 11 years and only this year has he played with an MVP candidate. Even Brook Lopez doesn't think Giannis became an MVP candidate because he went to the team wtf. Thats why people are accusing you of being Holic, only Holic says r****ded things like these.

    Of course nothing can change, the team is already capped out and big men who defend, rebound and shoot 3s dont grow on trees and even if they did,Rox can't get them. Freaking Brook Lopez man wtf.
     
  12. kevtse

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    Kyle Wiljer, gain 30 pounds and come back to play center for us
     
  13. nomiz1987

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    I agree with OP, though technically our center doesn't need to hit the three to be effective, he needs to have the go ahead at the twos around the key enough of a threat to be able to pull opposing centers away from the restricted area. Game 5 when nene was in gobert gave nene so much space around the key because he was anchored in the restricted area. We know nene has the sweet spot around the key and he hesitated first before making the shot. The jazz basically played 5 on 4 when capela was in the game because they know capela can't hit anywhere outside of the resitricted area. They leave him open and have 5 playing a zone defence which really affects our ability for penetration or threes. We're going to see it again with the bucks for sure, giannis will be anchored in the paint taking away the lob threat, the penetration and 5 on 4 means we're gonna resort to contested threes. but anyhoo let's finish off the warriors before we get ahead of ourselves
     
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  14. Tuk88

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    This is relentless...

    Per the WSJ and NBC Sports articles, stretch centers are opening up the floor even more for star players... which would naturally allow them greater chances to become MVPs. No, it doesn't guarantee a star player becomes an MVP, but it helps more than it hurts. Lopez has only shot threes the last three years, so the previous 8 are irrelevant. And JFC enough w/ the holic references already, just ban the guy or do something else, because y'all are OBSESSED, it's like a g-dd-mn worship in the worst way, and it's fricken sad.

    This whole site is going to turn me into a troll...

    It's like I have to post 2000 times about completely irrelevant things (half of them about holic) to say anything without being what's essentially cyber bullied, and I'm sure as hell not going to succumb to that. This is definitely a Rockets thing because the Astros fans are nothing like this. I would love to see a thread diagnosing THAT. That's the benefit of posting infrequently here, because you can clearly see how much of the chatter has absolutely nothing to do with basketball. Ok, so maybe it's a therapy thread for lonely people, who knows. Ah too late, already became a troll.
     
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  15. sirbaihu

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    Agreed this board is quite negative. Since you claim not to be so familiar with it, let me offer the opinion of someone who spends more time here: your thread is part of the negativity.

    You say we need changes at our center position. OK. . . .
    1) You're not satisfied with the team as is.
    2) We can't do a damn thing about it right now.

    Now you want everyone to say, "Yeah, you're right!" during the playoff run we've been waiting all year for. I, at least, am trying to get psyched about the guys who are actually on the Rockets. Can we just enjoy the guys who are really on the team for the next couple weeks? Or are there any other changes you want to make to the roster?
     
  16. icewill36

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    no says lopez "made" giannis into an MVP. obviously he is a great player, a star before lopez got there, but his presence opens everything up. if he had a typical big down there clogging the paint it would be easier to send help and get multiple bodies between giannis and the rim. with his size, strength, athleticism, and an open lane, there isnt a lot you can do one on one. its important because giannis cant shoot. his addition helps giannis dominate even more. i dont know why you guys have such a problem admitting that lopez is important to their success ?
     
  17. roslolian

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    Lol the OP post said "Lopez coming into the Bucks and Giannis being the MVP is not a coincidence". If the OP isnt saying Lopez made Giannis into a MVP then why is it not a coincidence? If Giannis was already MVP before Giannis got there why is it not a coicidence? Maybe YOU don't think Lopez made Giannis into an MVP but certainly not the OP hence his statement.

    Lopez has been in the NBA for 11 years and nobody has ever connected him with the word "success". Sure he can shoot but thats all he can do, he is super soft and doesn't defend or rebound the ball. The only franchise willing to pay him anything, the Nets, have always been among the worst teams in the L and the year after they get rid of him is when they reach the playoffs. He's so bad Lakers don't even retain him even when they need all the shooting in the world to pair with Lebron.

    Lopez had 0 takers, he was forced to sign a 3M deal for 1 year with the Bucks that shows how low the demand for him is. He isn't some "vital" piece he is a specialist who only has value on the Bucks because Giannis is there. If dies right now Bucks can find another guy, 6'8+ guy who can shoot 3s but doesn't need to do anything else? Any of these guys can do that:

    https://stats.nba.com/players/shoot...onType=Regular Season&DistanceRange=8ft Range

    Tbh finding a 3 pt shooting center is easy, the problem is he worth the PT? The major role of a center is to get rebs and anchor the defense, it doesn't matter how much "space" you give on offense your team will lose if you don't have defense and rebounding. Giannis is an anomaly, he cant shoot but having him makes up for having a 0 def 0 reb center. If Lopez is important to the Bucks thats a testament to Giannis' greatness and not due to Lopez.
     

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