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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

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  1. bigtexxx

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    This is the problem with today's liberals. They try to raise questions and uncertainty to try to fit the narrative they want. Mueller conducted a 2 year, multi-million dollar investigation and could not prove Trump guilty of collusion. You can try to cook up your conspiracy theories (Assange!) and raise questions, but the bottom line is that he didn't find collusion.
     
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  2. quikkag

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    We have one group that cites sources recognized as objectively reliable and another group that spouts tropes and talking points, pushing baseless propaganda. The former processes information and forms conclusions from it. The latter has conclusions in search of justification.
     
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  3. quikkag

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    From the ongoing Seth Abramson analysis of the Mueller report:

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1118631217212067841.html

    152/ One thing that is *unmistakable* from Mueller's evidence is that WikiLeaks was indeed a pass-through for Russian military intelligence. It will be very interesting to see, therefore, what the feds do with Julian Assange once he gets stateside.

    154/ Wow: Mueller establishes that the *whole Seth Rich storyline* concocted by WikiLeaks—pushed by Sean Hannity—was a *concerted* effort by WikiLeaks to *hide* that it was working with Russian military intelligence. Going to break from lawspeak a moment and say Assange is hosed.

    155/ It took FIVE HOURS from Trump saying "Russia, if you're listening" until Russian military intelligence hacks seeking exactly the material Trump had asked the Russians to provide—I seem to recall from law school that "willful ignorance" isn't a defense to aiding and abetting?
    156/ Trump was offering Russia *trillions* of dollars in unilateral sanctions relief—to *no benefit* to the US—on July 27, 2016, when he asked Russia to hack for him. They then did so. Understand that *this* is what media refers to when they speak of a quid pro quo in plain view.
    157/ What the GRU sought to hack after Trump's "Russia, if you're listening" comment was a site it had *never hacked before*—seemingly confirming it was hacked in an effort to please Trump/respond to his request at a time he was offering the Kremlin trillions in sanctions relief.

    167/ My god these guys were thirsty to get illicit help from WikiLeaks/Russia: [​IMG]
     
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  4. quikkag

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    161/ OK, *this* is big—Trump *knew more about the timing of WikiLeaks releases than Gates*, as he informed Gates of the timing. That's *incredible*, as Gates was Manafort's deputy/co-conspirator. So how was Trump in the loop—and Gates not? *Because Trump was in touch with Stone*.

    165/ What the *tornado of redactions* surrounding Trump-WikiLeaks contacts establishes is that the Stone trial this fall will be the event of the season. Anyone who thinks it's just going to be about lying—not collusion—hasn't read the Report or seen its Stone-related redactions.

    170/ Okay, so *now* we're getting into it: Trump followed "Russia, if you're listening" (July 27, 2016) with a DIRECT DEMAND TO HIS STAFF TO PROCURE STOLEN MATERIALS. Public evidence shows such efforts *preceded* Trump's demand also, but apparently this is when *he* got involved.
     
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  5. Astrodome

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    Exactly. 2 years ago they were exclaiming that mueller was a god and his report would be the gospel. Now they are on the verge of saying he was compromised because it didnt go how they were led to believe it would go by the media.
     
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  6. Astrodome

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    Hey shitposter, quick copying and pasting this crap. No one is reading it.
     
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  7. quikkag

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    207/ Jesus! Read this: [​IMG]
    208/ "Trump's team"—anyone think that means the "Trump Org" rather than Trump's campaign team? No.

    So as of fall 2015, Russian *government* was explicitly trying to link up to the Trump *campaign* to talk about business deals for Trump. And what did Trump do? Expressed interest.
    212/ Holy crap! Read this (from a Russian woman who has, it seems, disappeared from contact with the SCO, and for all we know, disappeared generally): [​IMG]
    213/ Putin lieutenant Peskov's top assistant called Trump's top assistant (Cohen) via private line—not governmental—though she was calling on government business (permitting for a tower). You think she realized that conversation was illicit? Cohen certainly did—and lied about it.
    214/ Remember: all of this is *during the presidential campaign*.
    215/ Wow...Trump's personal assistant gave Trump's passport to Trump's lawyer to send to the Kremlin. And look at this email from Cohen, proving that everyone involved contrived a plot (call it a conspiracy) to turn bribery (an impeachable offense) into a plausible business deal: [​IMG]
    216/ So Putin would show up to secret meetings with Trump in Moscow, but as he'd be accompanied by businessmen it'd plausibly be business-related, not "political"—even though all the private exchanges addressing the tower make clear it was *very* political.

    Trump is compromised.
     
  8. justtxyank

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    I'm reading it. It's good stuff.

    And no one here is claiming Mueller was compromised are they? Seems like most of are talking about the actual content of the report while some of you are still dancing to the tune of a Sean Hannity/Tucker Carlson summary.
     
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  9. justtxyank

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    Small but interesting and amusing note: Sarah Sanders admitted to SCO that she was lying when she said that she had spoken to people at the FBI and that they had lost faith in Comey. She said that statement by her was "founded on nothing." LOL
     
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  10. MojoMan

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    So Hillary Clinton lost the 2016 presidential election - straight up. No more excuses. No legitimate excuses, anyway.
     
  11. quikkag

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    LOL. That's your well-reasoned conclusion, is it? HRC received ~3 million more votes. Russian propaganda reached ~126 million Americans. The election outcome the result of ~77,000 specifically located votes. Russian IRA sent researchers to the US in 2014 to canvas what buttons to push, how to make them optimally effective, to produce the 2016 election result Putin wanted. Thirty million dollars from Russia funneled to the Trump campaign via the NRA.

    Yeah. Straight up.

    You're thrilled that Putin's choice, in opposition to the majority of American votes, sits in the Oval Office, weakening NATO, weakening Western alliances, ending crippling economic sanctions on Russia, illegally selling nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia with which Russian contractors will build nuclear reactors in Saudi Arabia.
     
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  12. No Worries

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    What page of the Mueller Report is that on?
     
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  13. quikkag

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    Abramson's tweets from 230 to 263 address the communications between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign via George Papadopoulos. Too much to even summarize here. I encourage you to read it.
     
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  14. tallanvor

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    how much have you gotten wrong already? please lecture more....
     
  15. quikkag

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    Mojo doesn't need to reference sources. Any actual basis for what he wants to be true is beneath him.

    Suddenly I'm reminded of my first wife's unfounded arrogance when she was on coke.
     
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  16. justtxyank

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    I’m not clear I’ve gotten anything wrong
     
  17. tallanvor

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    you got everything on George Pop wrong.

    u certainly do need to do more research. You also need different sources.
     
  18. mick fry

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    Lmao a good number of the left have abandoned this thread having conceded it’s foolishness but there are still those with no sense of awareness or shame. Keep fighting the good fight fellas.
     
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  19. MojoMan

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    Read the US Constitution, why don't you? Ever hear of "The Electoral College"? Apparently not.

    Trump beat Hillary straight up according to the electoral rules contained in the US Constitution, that have been in place since the founding of this country. She lost, he won - Fair and square. He did not cheat and nothing that the Russians did altered the outcome of the election. This report issued today confirms that.
     
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    Democrats haven't been this pissed since Abraham Lincoln freed their slaves. Truly despicable.
     

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