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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

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  1. Nook

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    It clears him of criminal charges. That is a win for him and that was his largest concern.

    It does not exonerate him like William Barr claimed. William Barr will likely get away with it, but he deserves some degree of punishment.

    Robert Mueller testifying before congress will be interesting. Personally I believe his testimony should be broadcast live so that the American people can decide. Neither side of the aisle should be completely comfortable with that arrangement because....... be careful what you ask for.
     
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  2. MojoMan

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    Absolutely Mueller should testify publicly. The sooner, the better. Get it done.
     
  3. justtxyank

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    Well it doesn't really clear him of criminal charges. Despite Barr's claims, Mueller expressly states that he cannot charge the sitting president and therefore can state whether there is any criminality. It would be unethical for him to claim criminality on things he can't charge and influence another jurisdiction, in this case Congress.
     
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    Mueller’s work resulted in no collusion. Time for the real investigation to begin around the bogus reasons the Mueller investigation was launched.
     
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  5. justtxyank

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    It doesn't even say no collusion.
    1) We aren't clear, because of redactions, what went on with Wikileaks but we do know that according to the report Trump knew about dumps from Wikileaks ahead of time
    2) Manafort's work with the Russians couldn't be fully vetted because he didn't cooperate and no one from Russia would cooperate. So we have a trail of bad behavior on his part that runs in a brick wall.

    It's interesting now to look at the Assange deal we made with the UK. We've basically guaranteed limited prosecution and neutered any leverage on him as part of the deal Barr made to get him. That will mean there's nothing to bring pressure on him to get to the truth.

    Mueller ultimately ran into brick walls on some of this stuff where criminals were able to hide their activity. Sadly those criminals have the cooperation of the Justice Department to prevent further probing.
     
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  6. MojoMan

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    However, as Barr clarified during his press conference, there was no charge that was withheld against Trump by Mueller based on DOJ guidelines not to indict a sitting president. He could have been indicted the day after he left office and the Special Counsel's findings could have been used for that purpose. But Robert Mueller made it clear, apparently on a number of ocassions, that the DOJ guidelines regarding the indictment of a sitting president was not a factor in any way in his investigation, or in the completion of his report.
     
  7. biff17

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    i think he most definitely could carry Michigan and Pennsylvania as for Colorado I don't think he would flip it red.

    All of those questions also concern Trump it's not like he has done anything to gain traction in any of those states.
     
  8. Nook

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    You are 100% correct, but based on his report it is unlikely that there will be criminal charges against the President.

    Also, the one that comes out of this looking the worst is William Barr.
     
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    His report says the opposite. His report specifically says he would not issue a finding of criminality because of DOJ guidelines. Barr can say it wasn't a factor, but Mueller's own words betray that.
     
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    Did you learn your comebacks in a middle school lunch room? Love your ability to lay on such a siiiick burn, bro.
     
  11. justtxyank

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    I do agree with you. As it turns out, Mueller stuck very narrowly to his mandate so all of the hand-wringing over him going off of the reservation was hot air. The things that people suspect may post legal threat to Trump weren't even part of Mueller's investigation.
     
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    For being exonerated? I doubt that will go over well with elections coming up.
     
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  13. MojoMan

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    Barr is not saying it. Barr is saying that is what Mueller said, repeatedly. Hopefully someone will ask Mueller about this when he testifies publicly, perhaps early next week, if possible.
     
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    And the issue you should be worried about is that half of those people voted for Trump.
     
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    This summarizes it the best. Far better than I have.

    I had to deal with investigations for years at the federal level. The conduct of William Barr is very disturbing.

    What also needs to be pointed out is that there were people involved that still had respect for our institutions and for the law and were not intimidated by a sitting President. Donald McGahn was not without bias (as we all are) but he ultimately respected the institutions.
     
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    Impeachment would do nothing. He won't be removed from office and no one that refused to flip on him for Mueller is going to flip on him for Congress. There would be no upside
     
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    Wow... you really weren't interested in what the Mueller report communicated, were you. Well, enjoy barr's summary.
     
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  19. Nook

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    That is not consistent with the Mueller Report. The Mueller Report repeatedly said the opposite.

    William Mueller is not a stupid man and he is a cautious man.

    There is no way that William Mueller said the exact opposite or what is repeatedly in his report.

    Who has more credibility right now. William Mueller or William Barr?

    We already know that William Barr is politically motivated and has repeatedly lied about the Mueller Report.
     
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    Are you really going to continue that exonerated nonsense?
     

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