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Trump to declare national emergency to build border wall

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by RESINator, Feb 14, 2019.

  1. mick fry

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    Jeh Johnson confirms there is a crisis at the border but really there isn’t. Right left?
     
  2. fchowd0311

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    I'll just repeat what I posted earlier about the "border crisis".


    People are really being confused between illegal border crossings by Mexican Nationals and the current mass flow of migrants who PURPOSEFULLY SEEK BORDER PATROL CUSTODY at checkpoints to apply for asylum from Central America.


    The former requires border security but we are at a record low for illegal crossings so it is no where near a "crisis"

    The actual crisis that began around 2014, is the influx of asylum seekers from Central America. They do not cross illegally and voluntarily seek authorities at legal checkpoints.

    Trump purely out of a desire to appear "tough" wants to solve an issue of people voluntarily giving themselves up with more security. It makes zero rational sense when you actually understand what is happening.

    The choke point isn't security. The choke point is not having enough judges to hear their cases that the LAW requires.

    Trump and propaganda arms like Fox News want to paint this crisis as a bunch of people crossing the border illegally therefore MOAR SECUITY!

    Unfortunately hiring more immigration judges isn't a sexy "tough on border security" move. It's only just a pragmatic move that will genuinely solve problems but won't score political points for the Trump base. Trump is just making the issue exponentially worse as time moves forward and no new judges are assigned to hear these cases.
     
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    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeh-jo...r-aid-for-border-wall-more-legally-plausible/

    If you are truly interested in solving the border problem, here is a speech Johnson in 2014 that presents a number of practical and effective solutions...

    https://www.dhs.gov/news/2014/10/09...rity-jeh-johnson-border-security-21st-century
     
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  4. Astrodome

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    Seeking asylum is the smarter route. Being released into the country with a promise to come back is easier than sneaking over.
     
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    I like how the left tries to project themselves as the sympathetic party no matter how detrimental to the country. What about all the oppressed people over seas? Why shouldn’t they have the same opportunities? It’s not their fault they are separated by an ocean and no means to get here. The only humanitarian thing to do is to ship them over by the 100’s of thousands but not vett them, just turn them loose.
     
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    your post is so dishonest... you continue to spin reality... lol keep it up and deny reality... aylum eh. Ok. Suure.
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    I'm coming at you from a completely pragmatic approach.


    There have been an influx of migrants requesting asylum from Central America. A border wall isn't going to solve this issue as they are not trying to cross illegally. They are seeking immigration and border patrol officers to request asylum.

    So the choke point is no security, it's the man power to proccess these asylum requests.

    You have two legal options if you are President if you genuinely want to solve this problem:

    1. Ramp up the amount of immigration judges to meet the demand of the requests. It isn't a sexy move that Trump can sell as "tough on migrants" but it's the pragmatic option that will lessen the clog in the system.

    2. Use his bully pulpit to convince Congress to change the asylum law stating that anyone who requests asylum legally has the right for their case to be heard.

    Those are the actual legal options he has to genuinely help solve this "crisis".

    Donald Trump currently isn't trying to solve a problem. He's trying to sell a narrative for 2020.

    Edit: Trump has another avenue and that is trying cooperate with the Mexican government to accept many of these migrants and help control the surge.

    Like I said before, tougher security in this situation is like using a hammer to screw on a bolt.
     
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  8. JuanValdez

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    That's right. The actual crisis is in the Northern Triangle. The southern border is just within its blast radius.
     
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    45 has created this so call crisis people seeking asylum is not a crisis they aren't sneaking into the country none of them have been caught bringing in any drugs or trafficking sex slaves .
     
  10. Rashmon

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    My guess is that now that there are three Mexican countries the crisis has tripled in scope. God help us all.
     
  11. mick fry

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    I understand what you’re saying but disagree that barriers are not needed.
     
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    I can agree on fixing the current barriers but not building new one over land that the owners don't want to give up for a vanity wall.
     
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    I agree with you on part of this... Trump may be very much trying to let it get worse to use the wall as an election issue. In fact, I think he probably is. He should hire more judges for sure, but I don't think your solutions really fix the issue. He has had more than enough time to fix the issue.

    SADLY we likely have a sitting President who wants this to get worse because he benefits from it and we have no challenger who will fix it. So yeah like I said I would consider a viable Dem, however none of them have been game changers yet. Sadly Trump and his ilk, do love immigrants who will suppress wages and increase corporate profits. I am very eager to see if there is a viable third party candidate so at least I don't have to vote for either of the two major a%%hole parties. Which is usually what I look for, because the Reps and Dems are just two sides of the same coin.
     
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    This is part of it. Barriers are good, but if the legal system is full of loop holes then it is useless. We need legislative reform but that isn't as cool as a wall when pitching it to six-pack joe. But I agree, a barrier is needed.

    We need to deputize the power of an immigration judge to our BP agents and let them carry out the sentence if we are really at emergancy levels until we can get more actual judges (maybe not legal but it would fix our lack of judges temporarily. I am just throwing it out there).
     
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    My gosh the depths trump seems willing to go to get his vanity wall... weaponizing asylum seekers and other immigrants by sending them to areas of political opponents? There is no low too low...



     
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    white house spokesman...

     
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    Aside from that...I'm not even sure what adjectives to use any more...situation, they continue to just be plain evil.

    11-year old ordered deported without her family

     
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    Good idea. I like it.
     
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