Trump to declare national emergency to build border wall

Where are the national guard and miltitary, are they still at the border?

It seems to me if there’s such a crisis.... they’d be there (like under the previous administration when there’s been a surge) while we build the wall which takes several years.

None of this adds up if there’s an actual crisis at the border unless Trump is intentionally making the situation worse.

 

Probably doing it to be petty and erase any Obamaism he can. More importantly, why is it ok when Obama wanted the wall it, but it's not ok now that Trump wants it.

 

Because Trump wanted a "yuge" wall that covered all the remaining 1400 miles of border that wasn't fenced which is highly unpragmatic and pitched his "idea" for the past 3 years with one of the most jingoist, anti-latino, anti-immigrant selling pitches in modern US history from using his rallies as glorified police blotters just listing out violent crimes committed by Mexicans to rile up jingoist juices to routinely bringing up false data about immigrants.

All while illegal border crossings in the past decade have been at an all time low since the god damn 60s.

Trump is using the ol fascist tactic that immigrants are a national emergency. It plucks at the heart strings of your "I lived in one town my entire life" demographic.

There have been leaks regarding internal discussions between Bannon and aids where the whole "build that Wall" shtick was not some concrete policy desire but rather a technique to bring immigration to the front of the national discussion queue, because Bannon understood that Trump can only win on easy low hanging fruit rhetoric like anti immigration rather than discuss nuanced fiscal or monetary policy or health insurance policy.

Bannon knew that Trump going into a deep policy discussion dive with Hillary on healthcare or fiscal policy would be devistating for him.

Bannon probably thought of the "build that wall" rhetoric as mainly campaign rhetoric. Trump having a superficial understanding of complaints that citizens have of politicans probably thiught that he is breaking some milestone by "keeping promises". Thus he goes for the very superficial easy ones like building that wall instead of the more difficult to achieve promises like "health insurance for everybody". As long as he can stick a landing on his superficial anti immigration promises such as building some fencing and putting a plack on it, his followers can spam social media with "keeping his promises".

 

Obama was not building a wall. He requested a total of $600 million to enhance border security that included hiring additional border patrol, the construction of actual fencing and the construction of a "virtual fence".

See the difference?

 

The Calexico-Mexicali area is a city. I don't have any problem putting a fence up to delineate the border in a city.

 

Gee, I wonder why opponents call it trump's "vanity wall"?

 

Tonight when you go out to your favorite restaurant, right after you order, I want you to go back in the kitchen and call that person making your hamburger a thief & tell them to go back where they came from.

Just make sure you do it before they cook your food for you.

 

Again... you literally don't know how anything works.

I didn't know there was automation ready to clean your house, do your yardwork, literally put a roof on your head, and cook your enchiladas. Automation has put skilled blue collar White Americans out of their jobs and shipped THE JOBS to Mexico, China, etc. Those jobs haven't left from The Woodlands to Pasadena. They left from Detroit to Monterrey... where the factories are.

Also - If they started paying brick layers 75K a year guess what... Your middle class house that used to cost 250K now costs 350K. Your enchilada plate goes from 8 dollars to 12 dollars.

You are really really ignorant about how America works. Yes it is ugly at the bottom, and this system has opened the door for the worst atrocities in American History. How we treat and especially how we have treated our immigrants in the past is appalling. But that's capitalism and how America is built. This isn't a socialist country. Its Capitalism. Immigration.... legal and illegal is kind of the engine that drives our consumerism.

Prisons.... well now you are finally talking right wing policy and not sounding like a Socialist Bernie bro. Just crack down on weed, and crack so we can put everyone colored in private prisons... then lets have prisoners in black and white striped PJ's doing our landscaping for us, or in the kitchen cooking your burger. Sounds like Making America Great Again to me.

 

Because Obama didn't want a wall in the middle of the F-ing desert, didn't want to strip land owners of their property (creating litigation that would make a wall of swiss cheese as some cases finish before others), and he wasn't using phrases like "Mexicans are rapists".

The problem with Obama is he was almost too practical. Too careful. He's the complete opposite of Trump. Trump can figure out a way to get all the attention on immigration, but literally nothing is practical & everything is a manufactured show. Like cutting off aid to Honduras, & El Salvador to create MORE refugees coming to the border. The fake crisis he can manufacture creates the show which gives him more cult like power. He literally is trying NOT to create a solution, and instead wants the crisis for political power. Its just his idiot cult followers think because he's blabbing on about it non-stop that equates to positive action.

Obama needed something more to get things done, but at least he was trying real solutions... which yes.... sometimes means a physical barrier in places it makes sense to build one.

 

Yup. Walls in population dense areas make pragmatic sense and has been the policy of non propaganda pragmatists. Hence how we have experienced record low illegal border crossings.

It's the difference between genuinely attempting to solve problems vs using a "solution" for pure propaganda purposes.

 

What about plugging the swiss cheese wall down here in the RGV?

Even with all the reasons you give, you seem to be overly emotional. There's no need to result to curses and insults. I'd like to have a mature conversation.

 

Pay more and people will take those jobs people "don't want". Ilegals undercut pay you dolt.

 

It is common for federal projects to have the name of the President in office when the construction commences. I was in Mobile Alabama last year on a business trip when I noticed a near new federal building with an Obama plaque on it. The one below is from a VA hospital built while Obama was in office. It is fine for you to not want a wall but bringing this part up is silly.

 

It's a lot of one-up-man-ship. It's become a game of escalation which is aggravated even more when one side scores a "win" and then gloats about it.

I don't understand how you can say border crossings are at an all time low when the RGV is being swamped and over run with illegals being released into the RGV after processing to return to immigration court at a later date. If I had the time, I'd swing by one of those places where the released aliens are being "dropped off", but i just don't feel like getting involved in that mess in any way, shape, or form.

 

I suspect that was attached to the actual VA Hospital building. I also suspect Obama didn't push anyone in the VA to place that plaque on the building. I doubt Obama has a press event to appear alongside that VA building and plaque. And... I suspect the VA Secretary didn't feel the need to defend the placing of the plaque.

It is fine you support the wall and trump in general, but comparing the plaque on a VA hospital to something trump is having a temper tantrum over is silly...

 

Pay more and everything becomes more expensive. The consumer (you) pay more then. The economy slows because people don't spend as much. Less capital spending that is supposed to lead to more jobs.

Your whole populist theory here is that if you'd start offering legal workers 15 to 20 dollars an hour to do the worst of the worst jobs, and you didn't have immigrant workers here to do those jobs for less, than regular middle class workers that used to have industrial, or manufacturing jobs would then be more than happy to jump into essentially the service industry with pride to then start cutting lawns, scrubbing dishes in kitchens, and cleaning hotel rooms?

A. paying more makes your life more expensive
B. there's a risk that the worker pool wouldn't want to/or couldn't transition industries that NEED workers in order to maintain our capitalistic consumer driven economy.

Here I am sounding like a Bush era Republican. I actually think that Immigration just needs to become more systematic & have a clearer process. Yes more LEGAL immigrants will be in our country, but it will significantly cut down on ILLEGAL immigration where we don't know who is coming in, and they are allowed to be treated as vermin. I'd also like to see an energy infrastructure plan (that isn't just aspiration like the GND) that creates a booming job market for the mid-west for those workers who want to stay in the industrial space & not have to transition to being a janitor or brick layer.

But... I'm a "Dolt" so I'm sure all of that will illicit Tucker Carlson talking points.

 

True is it me or has this whole crisis at the border issue been manufactured by the statements that have been made by 45. Most people that live near the border say there wasn't a problem till now.