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[Astrodome] schiff attempts to collude with Russia

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Astrodome, Mar 28, 2019.

  1. Invisible Fan

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    It's not the full report I'm concerned about. It will leak if he supresses, so all he can do is delay. Delaying has its price too because of 2020.

    He's been stuffing offensive lineman in Justice to prevent more investigations from passing through the finish line.
     
  2. dmoneybangbang

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    Hopefully it will leak if they surpress it. However I do agree that Trump is actively putting people in positions to protect him and his family. Hopefully a blitz or two gets past them...
     
  3. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Isn't it really hypocritical to ask for Schiff to resign and ignore Nunes who is actually guilty of creating a false narrative?
     
  4. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Even if any of that is true, it's nothing compared to Nunes
     
  5. Invisible Fan

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    Did the topic name change, or am I victim of Mandela Effect?
     
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  6. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    If he picks linemen like he picks cabinet members, well...

    [​IMG]
     
  7. Deji McGever

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    He picks them as any president would -- from Goldman Sachs, as is the custom.
     
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  8. Astrodome

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    Yep, those schiff apologists got ahold of it.
     
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  9. B-Bob

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    Ha! [Astrodome] could become a thing. "In Soviet Astrodome, dome dog eats YOU!"
     
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  10. No Worries

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    This does not make sense.

    Schiff did not instigate the Mueller investigation.
     
  11. quikkag

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    Claims 1-4 are complete BS. Claims 5-6 are so ungodly a misrepresentation as be essentially lies.
     
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  12. quikkag

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    Unless you are Wm Barr, Rod Rosenstein, or have worked in the Special Counsel's Office, you do not know what is in the Mueller Report. The Barr summary is not the report, not by any stretch.

    Mueller has farmed out the indictments (19 of which remain sealed) to SDNY, EDNY, EDVA, US Attorneys' Offices in LA and DC, the DOJ National Security Division, and the DOJ Criminal Division. There remains an FBI counterintelligence investigation.

    The work of the Russian probe Grand Jury continues robustly.

    Reports today indicate the Mueller report does indeed contain counterintelligence findings.

    This thing is far from over.

    An analysis of the Barr summary:

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1110266463506567168.html
     
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  13. quikkag

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    From: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-heffernan-schiff-barr-20190329-story.html

    So on Thursday, Schiff, as he has done many times before, patiently spelled out the state of play between Trumpworld and the Russians to the members of the Intelligence committee and anyone watching on C-SPAN.

    There was none of Barr’s fuzziness or torque in what Schiff said. He didn’t hypothesize. He didn’t speculate. He just laid it all out.

    “The Russians offered dirt on a Democratic candidate for president as part of what was described as the Russian government’s effort to help the Trump campaign,” he said.

    “When that was offered to the son of the president, who had a pivotal role in the campaign, the president’s son did not call the FBI, he did not adamantly refuse that foreign help. Instead that son said that he would love the help of the Russians.

    “Paul Manafort, the campaign chair, someone with great experience in running campaigns, also took that meeting…. The president’s son-in-law also took that meeting…. They concealed it from the public…. Their only disappointment after that meeting was that the dirt they received on Hillary Clinton wasn’t better.”

    And Schiff kept going. Through Manafort’s offer of campaign information in exchange for debt forgiveness; through his offer of campaign polling data to someone linked to Russian intelligence; through Jared Kushner’s attempt to open a Russian back channel; through Trumpworld contacts with the GRU (“a hostile intelligence agency”); through denied-but-true Moscow Trump Tower negotiations and the promulgation of a “new and more favorable policy toward the Russians” as Trump sought “the Russians’ help — the Kremlin’s help” to make himself a fortune.

    Call me crazy, Schiff said, but it all strikes me as immoral, unethical, corrupt — and, yes, as collusion, even if it isn’t part of a criminal conspiracy.

    Throughout his incantation, Schiff repeated the phrase: “You might think it’s OK that…” as he walked through the facts. Since he delivered the litany, no one has called him on a single error. And yet, Republicans on the committee seemed to find all the evidence of Trump’s treachery OK.

    Enter the Fray: First takes on the news of the minute »
    So that’s it. We can all agree on what happened. The president encouraged computer crimes. Trumpworld has a pattern of back channeling with, digging dirt with, murky real-estate dealing with and swapping favors with Kremlin types. And Trumpworld lies about it.

    Whatever the legal niceties, for most sane observers, the Barr letter is the latest entry in the administration’s effort to, shall we say, avoid a reckoning. Barr has suppressed Mueller’s findings, and he may have spun them hard, letting Trump spin that spin and claim, laughably, that he’d been, “Totally EXONERATED.” (Barr letter: The report “does not exonerate” Trump.)

    The American people aren’t buying the president’s tweet, at least not yet. For any conclusion that big, we need the real report. And, according to a CNN poll this week, 87% of Americans want all of the Mueller findings released to the public, including 80% of Republicans.

    In the meantime, if you’re interested in understanding the Trump-Russia findings, ignore what Barr wrote. Watch the Schiff speech instead.
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    Schiff is delivering a master class on how to cut through the partisan BS.
     
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  15. mick fry

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    The letter, which was sent to Schiff as he was confronted by those same Republicans, follows the conclusion of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's Russia probe.
    “Your actions both past and present are incompatible with your duty as chairman of this committee,” the letter stated. “We have no faith in your ability to discharge your duties in a manner consistent with your constitutional responsibility and urge your immediate resignation as chairman of this committee.”
    “Adam Schiff shouldn’t resign,” said Democratic congressman Ro Khanna of the House Oversight Committee on Fox & Friends Friday. “We have a separation of powers, that’s part of the Constitution. You have strong oversight.” Khanna encouraged everyone to “move on.”
    Gowdy responded by listing the members of the Republican House Intelligence Committee. “These are not members of the bomb-throwing caucus and for them to say ‘Adam Schiff, we have lost confidence in your leadership,’ I’ll tell you I think what’s going to happen next, Dana, is the intelligence community is going to say ‘you know what Adam, you disregard the information that you’re provided, you prejudge the outcome of investigations, you had the president not just indicted but in jail, we’re going to stop sharing information with you,’” Gowdy said.
    “’If you are the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and you can’t act in a reasonable way, we’re going to stop sharing information with you’ in which case Pelosi will have no choice but to replace Schiff.”
     
  16. quikkag

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    So, Mick, if Fox is your source, you probably don't realize that the letter you quote received the response referenced two posts above yours. Schiff tore your minority House Intelligence Committee members a new one. He excoriated them. He eviscerated them. And as the article I quoted related, they are unable to name a single error in his assertions. Conaway and Nunes fronted the assault on Schiff, and they haven't an ounce of objectivity or decency between them. Nunes early on proved himself a conspirator to cover up the Russian entanglement. Fox is in no way a news source, but a propaganda machine.
     
  17. mick fry

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    Lol Fox is the propaganda machine, that’s rich. Is what Gowdy was quoted as saying made up by the propaganda machine?
     
  18. quikkag

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    No. Gowdy said what he said. He's just wrong and he knows it. The intelligence community understands the difference between Schiff and Nunes or Trump. They know who uses their information for the good of the nation and who uses it for manipulation. They know Schiff has integrity and that Nunes and Trump do not.

    And Fox has zero journalistic integrity.

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    https://www.adfontesmedia.com/
     
  19. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    The propaganda machine attacking Schiff to deflect away from Trump who is the the definition of corruption
     
  20. mick fry

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    He’s right and he knows it and to say Fox is the main stream media outlet that has the journalistic integrity issue after what you have seen play out over the last two years is again what you guys do by doubling down and saying black is white, up is down.
     

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