The UK should have begun from day 1 with the assumption that the EU would act in bad faith, but the UK government has symbolised how Thatcher used to describe the bureaucracy, they really do as little as possible in the least efficient manner possible. It should have been handed to the actual brexiteers, to manage their own process.
A two week extension until April 12. That was nice. That is the same notice that is expected for quitting any normal job isn't it? Unless the UK Parliament votes to betray the people of the UK by voting to revoke Brexit, for a second referendum, or for the original, twice-failed Brexit in Name only bad deal, then there are 21 days to go until the UK leave the EU. Tick tock.
I am not an expert of Brexit, the UK, or the EC. But if the impact of Brexit is better known now than when the original referendum was voted on, why would a second referendum be a betrayal of the people of the U.K. Another thing that I am unclear on... were the other countries in the U.K. in favor of Brexit, or only England? Seems I read
A petition calling for Theresa May to cancel Brexit by revoking Article 50 has passed two million signatures, crashing the government website in the process. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47652071 Over half of those signatures are apparently from outside the UK, including many from Russia and other such countries. This is documented collusion between the Russians (and others) with the Remainers who are seeking to undermine the outcome of the referendum vote by the people of the UK. It makes one wonder in what other ways they might be colluding together towards these nefarious ends. Now even without evidence of any collusion with the Russians, the leftists here in this country and around the world have insisted that this sort of interference in the fundamental democratic processes of our countries is intolerable, evil and evidence of the worst sort of treachery imaginable by the perpertators of these crimes. But here in this instance, there is evidence in the form of this petition. Collusion with this sort of interference by these foreign powers in an effort to undermine our democratic processes and our way of life is intolerable, evil and evidence of the worst sort of treachery imaginable. It was in 2016 and long before that, and it still is today. Surely members of the Democrat left here in this country and supporters of the left and the Remain movement around the world agree with this. You do, right?
I amy be wrong (again, I haven't followed Brexit discussion very closely), but don't the Russians want Brexit to happen?
The Russians want to disrupt and undermine our democracies. They do not strictly care if Trump or Hillary wins, or if Leave or Remain wins, only that the seeds of division are sown and the conflict that comes with that. This petition in this instance serves those ends very nicely. I for one would like to see the Russian meddling stopped and those people who collude with them to undermine our democratic processes held to severe account. What about you?
Brexit petition CON! Half of signatures in Revoke Article 50 petition are OUTSIDE UK MORE than half of the three million names on a record-breaking petition to derail Brexit by revoking Article 50 signed the petition from outside the UK, data on the Government’s Parliamentary website has revealed. As of 12.20pm, the petition had surged past three million. However, on closer inspection, about 1.26million were from the UK. Arch-Brexiteer and former UKIP leader Nigel Farage called for an enquiry because signatures from North Korea, Afghanistan and Papua New Guinea have found their way onto the campaign, alongside mega-rich celebs including Hugh Grant, Annie Lennox and David Walliams. His scepticism was shared by Tories including Walsall North’s Eddie Hughes, who tweeted: “Does it still count if some of them are from Russia or China?”
Generally not if you've already given 2 years' notice. You told us the clock was ticking to March 29th and you couldn't see any other possibilities. Now you think this is normal. LOL. Nevermind that there are about a dozen other options as well. I know your twitter feeds don't mention them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
Some important quotes from European Council President Donald Tusk: EU gives Theresa May three weeks to win her Brexit vote If her deal is passed, Brussels will give the government until May 22 to pass the legislation that would implement Brexit. If the deal is not agreed by the April deadline, however, Britain will be forced to choose between a no-deal Brexit or agreeing to hold European elections in return for a longer extension to the Article 50 process. “The UK government will still have a choice of a deal, no-deal, a long extension or revoking Article 50,” Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council, said. “April 12 is a key date in terms of the UK wondering whether to hold European parliament elections. If it has not decided to do so by then the option of a long extension will immediately become impossible.” Brussels will impose further conditions, such as holding elections or a second referendum, on Britain in return for a long extension, defined in internal EU legal documents as until December 31 or beyond.
In what way did the EU act in bad faith? They spent 2 years painstaking negotiating every little detail of a deal with the UK, which all 27 countries unanimously agreed to *with* the UK. Then the UK changed it's mind and wanted something different - but they can't even agree internally to what different thing they want and would approve. What is the EU supposed to do, exactly?
According to the Financial Times (Paywall), Theresa May has made the decision to take the UK out of the EU with no deal if the MV3 fails next week, as is expected: How Theresa May decided she was willing to accept a no-deal Brexit In the early hours of Wednesday morning, Theresa May made a momentous choice. After a day of acrimonious debate in her cabinet and inner circle, the prime minister decided that she was willing to take Britain out of the EU without a deal. At Thursday’s European Council meeting in Brussels, EU diplomats wondered whether Mrs May was bluffing, but those close to the prime minister said if she cannot secure her Brexit deal she is determined the UK should embark on a no-deal exit.
UK Chief Secretary of the Treasury Liz Truss say that Theresa May should just go ahead and push for no deal. She also says that no deal is more likely to be supported than a long delay (second referendum) and that the UK is ready to leave the EU with no deal. Theresa May should go for No Deal next week instead of pushing Brexit back, Liz Truss warns Theresa May should opt for No Deal over accepting a lengthy Brexit delay, Liz Truss said today. The Chief Secretary to the Treasury said No Deal was now “more likely” than a long delay if the PM’s deal is defeated again in the Commons next week. Asked if she would rather a No Deal than an extension, Ms Truss told The Sun: “God yes. No extension.” She added: “I believe No Deal is better than a long extension.” And Ms Truss, who is Chancellor Philip Hammond’s deputy, said Britain was ready for a No Deal. Dismissing gloomy forecasts of an economic fallout after a No Deal Brexit, she added: “I don’t believe the plague of locusts stuff.” So according to the UK Chief Secretary of the Treasury, the UK is ready to leave.
The russians want to disrupt and weaken the EU and UK. Just like they want to weaken NATO and the U.S. Seems Brexit weakens both the EU and UK, no? btw, US Intelligence community and Senate Intelligence Committee disagree with your statement "They do not strictly care if Trump or Hillary wins"
That russians shouldn't meddle in U.S. (or other country) elections? Was that serious question? What next, should husbands beat their wives? Why are you avoiding my questions? Seems you have the greatest interest in whether Brexit happens or not. I will re-list them: But if the impact of Brexit is better known now than when the original referendum was voted on, why would a second referendum be a betrayal of the people of the U.K.? Were the other countries in the U.K. in favor of Brexit, or only England? And since russia is top of your mind... doesn't russia want Brexit to happen since it weakens the EU and UK? And... why do you think russia didn't care if trump or Clinton won? Why are the Intelligence Community and the Senate Intelligence Committee wrong, since they believe russia wanted trump to win?
I guess correcting you incorrect statement was more important than answering an obvious question. I would imagine that poster supports the Mueller Investigation. Cleary you don’t feel strongly enough about Russian interference to hold another Brexit referendum.
The EU leaders have severely mishandled these negotiations and this has been a clear failure of European statecraft, according to Marcel Fratzscher, head of the German Institute for Economic Research. This is a smart, long-view analysis on the ramifications of what the EU has done here. He is exactly right. Expect to see all of what he is predicting below play out to the EU's detriment in the months and years to come: German alarm grows over the EU’s dangerous ultimatum terms for Britain Ever louder voices in Germany are denouncing the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement as a fundamental failure of European statecraft that can lead only to a diplomatic debacle and festering animosity. If the EU’s ultimatum policy causes a geostrategic rupture with a pillar of the European defence, security, and financial system – sooner or later, as it surely must under the existing terms – the recriminations in Berlin will be ugly. “Europe is well on the way to inflicting huge damage on itself for decades by the way it has handled the failed Brexit talks,” said Marcel Fratzscher, head of the German Institute for Economic Research (DIW) in Berlin. Professor Fratzscher says the EU is undermining its own democratic legitimacy by demanding that Westminster MPs swallow the Barnier package with a “gun to their chest” and subject to threats of “catastrophic consequences” after two-thirds have already rejected it. Parliament is fully justified in rejecting a backstop arrangement that would lock UK in a customs union against its will. “No sovereign nation could agree to such terms lightly. The Bundestag itself could hardly have voted otherwise in comparable circumstances,” he wrote in Der Spiegel this week.
Yes for the first Brexit Referendum since it maximized chaos. Russians likely are now for a second referendum since more chaos will ensue.
