James Cleverly, a Conservative, says if Bercow had made this ruling earlier, MPs might have realised that last week was their last chance to vote for the Brexit deal. They might have voted differently, he says. The Speaker has screwed up May for good. Humiliation again and again. All her deal is dead now, because after the extension there is zero chance she survives. The new PM will put forth another plan. Now all she can do is to break the session of the parliament so she can bring a third vote by the rules. Let's see how far she is prepared to go to save herself. The last time this has happened was in 1949. Unreal.
That vote was headed for failure anyway. This decision changes nothing. It is my sense that the only reason that Theresa May was continuing to push the twice failed deal for a third vote is that there really is no viable alternative currently on the table. Of course the remainers will say delay or have a second referendum. But they also voted on a second referendum and it was also voted down decisively. As far as a delay, they can go to June 30 without participating in the EU elections, but for anything longer, the Parliament would have to vote FOR that. Which I could be wrong, but I do not believe they will be willing to do that. So, what then? The default is still a no deal Brexit on March 29. What alternative to that is there right now that appears to have any plausible prospect of passing? I see literally nothing. Do you see a plausible alternative that has a chance to pass Parliament? If so, what is it?
No deal Brexit would be outstanding, and is the default legal position. All May has to do is hold her nerve and do nothing.
I agree, let them deal with the consequences of their populism. Hopefully the populists here will pay attention to their incompetence.
May's deal (well really it was written by the EU) reads like terms of surrender from a country defeated in war. Just walk away ffs. https://brexitcentral.com/dont-fooled-brexit-deal-creates-triple-lock-shackle-uk-brussels-forever/
Well where were all the Brexiters to take up the charge....? It’s almost like no one wants the job.... ? It was real easy to campaign on Brexit when all you needed was emotion.... Now all the populists are complaining from the sidelines because they know they got no actual plan. I must say, I’m enjoying watching this.
The complaint is that a remainer PM and overwhelmingly remainer parliament are not honoring the referendum result.
Nothing in the referendum stated anything about leaving on a specific date or with any specific deal. You're just reading what you want into it. There's nothing magical about leaving on March 29th, and the people have had an election since the referendum and didn't have to vote in the people they did. You seem to be suggesting that UK not honor the results of their actual parliamentary elections in 2017 and instead honor the terms you artificially added to a 2015 non-binding referendum. Keep dreaming of a no-deal Brexit. It's not happening. Mostly because people in government, while fairly incompetent, aren't suicidially stupid.
Except that this is the default course of action right now. They still might have a breakthrough and agree to a deal that actually allows the UK to leave at the last minute - and that is what should happen here, if the EU leaders were responsible people. But if that does not happen, then the UK will have to support some other alternative, and they already voted down a second referendum. So, other than the EU caving on a deal (Bercow will not even let them vote on the old one again) and a second referendum, which has also already been voted down, what option is there that the UK Parliament might plausibly pass (not just you wanting them to) do you see as an alternative? What?
You have repeated stated otherwise: I think that very likely is what she was doing. Now they are headed straight for a Brexit with no deal, The default is still a no deal Brexit on March 29. What alternative to that is there right now that appears to have any plausible prospect of passing? I see literally nothing. I have stated that they 100% will only leave with a deal of some sort, and the most likely route to that will be a second referendum if May can't get her deal through. Alternatives to that are a general election or Labour's deal, but those are less likely. Betting odds give a second referendum a 30% likelihood. I would give it 50/50, with all the other options (May's deal, Labour's deal, general election and starting over, all combining for 50% but each individually less likely than that). But regardless of the route they take, under no circumstances are they leaving with no deal. This was my post from Thursday: To make it [public referendum] a reality, though, they'd still have work to do getting that 334 number down to around 300-310. I'm not exactly sure *why* they were opposed to voting on it today or what their plan is - it looks like there's maybe a 30-50% chance May can get her deal through next week on a 3rd try. If so, that would be the end of it. If not, I guess the People's Vote people want to push things to the brink and make this the only choice? Not really sure.
That's the problem - you have a failure of imagination because you understand neither the politics or the economics of a no-deal Brexit. It doesn't matter that none of the other options is likely or can be agreed to right now. No-deal is completely toxic and will be avoided at all costs. If they can't figure out what else to do now, they will punt until some point down the road. If they can't figure it down the road, they will punt again and again. The "default option" will not happen. Period. Because the country's leaders are not going to destroy their country.
There were multiple democratic exercises Cameron won his last election on a promise to hold an "in or out" referendum that would be implemented (not advisory) Referendum went in favor of leaving the EU Another election where both major parties ran on manifestos that pledged to honor the referendum result Article 50 resolution that passed in parliament with 500 MPs voting for it saying they would leave no later than 3/29 It's been three years ffs. The only purpose of a delay is to buy time to find a way to not honor the referendum result.
But no one bothered to define this Brexit idea outside of the notion of the leaving the EU. It's been three years and the purpose of delaying is to buy time to actually figure out the details. I think you underestimate how unpalatable a no deal Brexit actually is.
leave customs union leave single market no ECJ jurisdiction in the UK control of fishing waters control of migration into UK All of that was well understood before the referendum vote. Most of it is not part of May's deal.
So, we know politics isn’t something you understand... how about sports or cars? There has got to be something..any hobbies?
LOL!!! Got any source on this? Leave the custom union is only Theresa May's OWN red line not something agreed in the referendum. Please provide a source or shut up with this misinformation.
First time I hear this. Please give me a source. The UK won't even be allowed to have EU parliament elections in another time than the rest of the EU. They can't have their own elections in June, either it will be in May or no elections and kicked out, otherwise there will be legal problems. A treaty is needed for that and such treaty takes 2 years. Also as for alternatives there are plenty, who said the only alternative was no Brexit or a 2nd referendum? These are the least likely outcomes! The most likely outcome is General Election, and a new PM negotiating anew with dropping May's red lines. So custom union and a softer Brexit. All of Labour and a big part of the Torries support a Norway style Brexit it was only May herself who without consulting with anyone decided there shouldn't be a custom union. That's why she failed. She hasn't cooperated with anyone from the beginning, her government was found in contempt of Parliament and she tried to get a carte blanche and order the parliament around. In fact if it was another more competent politician even with the same deal she has, they would be able to get it through. Again, I would be crying instead of celebrating if I were you. This is a one way street to a softer Brexit.
I don't know what the betting odds are but they are wrong. A General election or a softer Brexit are more likely to a second referendum. The majority of Leavers from the beginning were supporting a soft Brexit. Only the ERG and the DUP didn't want it. You ask why they were opposed to voting on it, it's simple. Corbyn wants to become the new PM of the country. That's why he ordered his party to abstain from voting on a second referendum. Because of his personal ambitions he opposes the will of the majority of Labour voters and MPs.
