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[FiveThirtyEight] The Six Wings Of The Democratic Party

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  1. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Member
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    this should be good

    excerpt with the basics:

    more at the link

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-six-wings-of-the-democratic-party/
     
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    @MojoMan would probably be interested in reading this article. A different cut from his 4 wings of the Democratic race.
     
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  3. Os Trigonum

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    yep, I was thinking that, good point
     
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    six wings of the democrats. how many wings for republicans?
     
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  6. Os Trigonum

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    so I know folks here don't believe in the idea of a "moderate Democrat" . . . curious what people make of the following two categories:

    The Moderates
    • More conservative and business-friendly than other Democrats on economic policies; somewhat liberal on cultural issues; anti-establishment.
    • Prominent examples: Rep. Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey, Rep. Conor Lamb of Pennsylvania, Rep. Abigail Spanberger of Virginia.
    Some of the members of this bloc recently voted for a bill to expand background checks for gun purchases, which was championed by Pelosi, but then also supported a GOP-backed amendment to the measure that would alert ICE when an undocumented immigrant tries to purchase a gun. The moderates supporting that idea infuriated both Pelosi (she argued Democrats need to work as a team and not join with the GOP) and Ocasio-Cortez (she objects to empowering ICE.)

    But criticism from Ocasio-Cortez and Pelosi may be a feature, not a bug, for these members. Many of them represent competitive (purple) districts and states. Some of the Democrats in this bloc may be, in their hearts and minds, just more conservative than other Democrats. But virtually all have a political incentive to play up their differences with Pelosi and particularly Ocasio-Cortez — to tell their constituents essentially, “I’m a Democrat, but not that kind of Democrat.”

    Conservative Democrats
    This is probably the smallest wing of these six. But it’s an important one. Democrats may need more Democrats in this mold to win any of the three governor races in 2019 (Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi) or to gain seats in state legislatures in the West and the South. This wing, I think, will punch above its weight in the national debate about where the Democrats are headed — because these Democrats will likely be those pushing loudest for it to avoid the policy stands of the Very Progressives and the Super Progressives. And they will have a compelling argument — by being elected, Edwards was able to expand Medicaid to more than 400,000 people in a very red state, a real policy change Ocasio-Cortez can’t make.​
     
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    Two, chicken and gargoyle.
     
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    Fair article. Think it sums it up properly. Democrats always have a tough road in trying to build a consensus. Trump seems to be the one that’s able to unite everyone right now, but will it continue next November.

    Really wish the US could have more than 2 legitimate parties. I know, the current system doesn’t really allow it, but it would be nice to have options and a ranked vote.
     
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    Based on this definition, I'm progressive old guard. I'm center right on most economic issues but extremely liberal when it comes to social issues.
     
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    Looks more like ostrich
     
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    Why do you think people here don't believe in a moderate Democrat?

    What are you basing this on?
     
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    I must have missed that thread.
     
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    Traditionally, you had:

    1. evangelicals
    2. business conservatives, which might be divided into "Big Business" and "Mom and Pop" small business (their interests aren't always the same)
    3. culturally conservative, blue-collar "Joe six pack" types
    4. States righters (usually more rural types)

    Now, you could possibly add in the "alt right," although I think this overlaps a lot with #3.
     
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    So is this overlap with #3 a good or bad thing?
     
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    Hillary Clinton suspiciously absent from this list.
     
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    I love it how having factions and splits in the Democrat party is portrayed by the right and the media as some kind of bad thing.

    Yet at the same time the Trumpers love to talk about how brainwashed & group thinky the left is.

    Yes... the Democrats have alot of various ideas,and backgrounds. That's what is good about the party. Its not a cult of personality or ideologically defined. Its sort of how Democracy is supposed to look.... like a mess, but with shared goals & a focus on getting the American working/middle class the best possible chance at success.
     
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    Alt Right might be younger than #3 and therefore possibly Libertarian by default, but also that whole Red Pill to Thirteen Words continuum.

    And group #2 you can definitely split between Bilberberger types who rewrite tax laws and anti-trust judgements, and people who just pathologically hate unions and minimum wage.

    Then at the local level you have issues like school, residential or hospital/social services zoning, which cuts more across race and class and creates conservatives of people from both parties.
     
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    Yeah the Democratic party is actually the big tent party and now that is a negative according to the right.
     
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    the right sure hate diversity of people, ideas, and belief
     
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