1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Thousand bux a month or tax wealthy elite 70%

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Jump Ship, Mar 10, 2019.

?

Which do you want?

  1. $1000 a month for everyone over 18 years old

    4 vote(s)
    18.2%
  2. Tax the wealthy 70% on every dollar over $10 million

    10 vote(s)
    45.5%
  3. Niether, I am republican and think walls are cool

    8 vote(s)
    36.4%
  1. Jump Ship

    Jump Ship Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2018
    Messages:
    780
    Likes Received:
    396
    It is funny how those weirdos always resort to trolling when they lose an argument with irrefutable evidence. They called me a liar and I backed it up with proof and they resort to trolling.

    Welcome to the internets.
     
  2. Jump Ship

    Jump Ship Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2018
    Messages:
    780
    Likes Received:
    396
    I am mainly referring to the other guys who trolled and called me a liar when I said they pay no income taxes. I know we jokingly argued about athletes being an exception, but it’s unfair to include an extremely limited group that can only earn over $10 million for a very short time period of their career earnings.
     
  3. jcf

    jcf Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2012
    Messages:
    2,190
    Likes Received:
    2,272
    Seriously? What about the guy who finally gets promoted to CEO at 63? Or a lawyer who scrapes by and then lands one big case? I would wager that there aren't a lot of people who make 10mm a year for a lot of years unless it is based on gains/investment from real wealth, not income.
     
  4. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    81,573
    Likes Received:
    121,986
    I will disagree with the statement that it's "unfair" to a group or class of individuals who can only earn x dollars over a "short" (what constitutes "short"?) period of time. A tax code is premised on fairness and equal treatment: if you make $10 million in a year, as some athletes do, that is actually income that should be taxed. Period. Otherwise why would we not simply pick and choose our favorite targets and make exceptions for those whom we favor. "Let's tax ugly Republicans! they suck!! and let's not tax Democrats! no, let's give them a UBI payment of a thousand dollars instead!"

    there is NOTHING at all that is "unfair" about taxing someone who lies within a taxable class. It is UNFAIR when one makes arbitrary exceptions based upon nothing but a bias or prejudice in favor of the one being exempted.
     
  5. Jump Ship

    Jump Ship Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2018
    Messages:
    780
    Likes Received:
    396
    They can take there millions and invest or donate. Also, i am not losing sleep over some 63 year old millionaire who has to pay taxes on dollars over ten million.
     
  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 1999
    Messages:
    36,288
    Likes Received:
    26,645
    Where is the proof you posted that individuals who make $10,000,000+/year don't pay taxes?
     
  7. Jump Ship

    Jump Ship Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2018
    Messages:
    780
    Likes Received:
    396
    Until you can scientifically prove one occupation being unable to earn over $10 million beyond 30 then we have an argument. This is not personal. It is science.
     
  8. jcf

    jcf Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2012
    Messages:
    2,190
    Likes Received:
    2,272
    So why are athletes different? If it is the short duration of their maximum earning capability, you have been provided other examples of the same. If it is just that you like athletes more and want them to not have to pay the same in taxes as a business person, just say it.
     
  9. Jump Ship

    Jump Ship Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2018
    Messages:
    780
    Likes Received:
    396
    Lol, i posted at least 150b of proof on page 2 or 3. Individual or corp makes no difference.
     
  10. Jump Ship

    Jump Ship Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2018
    Messages:
    780
    Likes Received:
    396
    Science. Prove it scientifically based on occuption.
     
  11. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    81,573
    Likes Received:
    121,986
    well . . . if it's SCIENCE. okey dokey then.
     
  12. jcf

    jcf Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2012
    Messages:
    2,190
    Likes Received:
    2,272
    Prove what?
     
    TheresTheDagger likes this.
  13. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    81,573
    Likes Received:
    121,986
    you know . . . "it"
     
    TheresTheDagger likes this.
  14. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 1999
    Messages:
    36,288
    Likes Received:
    26,645
    It makes an incredible amount of difference. A person making $10+ million a year does not have any where near the tax breaks that corporations do.

    Please show your proof that Bill Gates and Warren Buffet don't pay any taxes. They both talk about the fact they pay.
     
  15. Jump Ship

    Jump Ship Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2018
    Messages:
    780
    Likes Received:
    396
    Athletes sacrifice education and gamble on their future by investing all their time training. Their career ernings are limited based on age. Prove another occupation has limited earnings based on age. Their cap should be much higher when it comes to their salary.
     
  16. Jump Ship

    Jump Ship Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2018
    Messages:
    780
    Likes Received:
    396
    I do not have access to individual tax returns and non-public companies. You are asking me to prove something no one has the ability to prove but the IRS.
     
  17. jcf

    jcf Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2012
    Messages:
    2,190
    Likes Received:
    2,272
    Don't even know how to respond because your statement has nothing to do with fair taxation. There are lots of people, who if they are ever fortunate to make 10mm/year, may only do it one year or a handful of years. Hard to respond to a faulty logic.
     
  18. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    81,573
    Likes Received:
    121,986
    fify
     
  19. Jump Ship

    Jump Ship Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2018
    Messages:
    780
    Likes Received:
    396
    I said it would be on the second consecutive year similar to the nba luxury tax. More taxes the more years you go over, the more you go over.

    Please provide one example of an occupation to counter my argument.
     
  20. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 1999
    Messages:
    36,288
    Likes Received:
    26,645
    Yet you keep starting as fact individuals making $10+ million per year pay ZERO tax.

    Bill Gates must be a liar

    "Gates also said that the world’s wealthiest people only have a “rounding error” worth of actual income compared to their wealth — they don’t have a lot of salary, but instead sell stocks and other assets to raise cash, which isn’t taxed as income anyway. The top 400 earners in the US are only paying something like a 20 percent tax rate, he pointed out. “It has nothing to do with the 39.6 percent marginal ordinary income rate. So it’s a misfocus. If you focus on that, you’re missing the picture.”
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now