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Sources: Butler will be Moreys main target this summer, and he feels fairly confident it will happen

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by cyberx, Feb 25, 2019.

  1. pippendagimp

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    just made no sense for him to switch onto rolo there especially after lavine had just torched them several possessions in a row. mike scott definitely F'd up as well, but imo butler is not guiltless here

     
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  2. BigMaloe

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    What do you mean?

    They were supposed to switch there.

    Butler fighting over the screen leads to him trailing the play and the same open shot happening.

    If Mike switches properly, it prevents the drive and forces them to reassess offensively.

    Butler was 100% right here and it's obvious why he would be upset.
     
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  3. YOLO

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    Disagree. That’s on butler. He’s supposed to be this defensive stopper right. We’ll take on the challenge and stop the opposing teams best player from getting a game winning bucket. If that “screen” is all it takes for butler to get off, he has no business being on Lavine in the first place. That “screen” was extremely soft and I wouldn’t even consider it an actual screen. Why is he needed to switch on robin Lopez who is a 0 threat from out there in that case. That “switch” makes no sense. This was on butler and not taking actual accountability. Lopez gets the ball out there. Who of course is going to get the ball. Obviously lavine. Butler gets stuck with terrible awareness and it cost the team
     
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  4. pippendagimp

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    i have to agree w/ YOLO.....w/ just a few seconds left on the clock and lopez an almost zero threat from the arc, if butler just sticks to lavine that game is a win. i can see how he's pissed at mike scott though, who really F'd up
     
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  5. BigMaloe

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    You guys are easily dismissing defensive scheme.

    So you want him to completely abandoned the scheme.

    He then would have to fight over and through a screen.

    He would end up behind lavine chasing him.

    This does not put him in a better spot defensively.

    The correct defensive play is to switch, and trust your teammate to do his job.

    His teammate didnt do his job.

    Trying to be the "hero" on defense would have completely broke the defenses integrity.
     
  6. BigMaloe

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    This isnt true.

    If butler doeant switch, he would be trailing Lavine after the screen.

    He would be following Lavine as he attacked from behind. He would have no chance to effectively defend him and trying to defend from the rear usually results in a foul.

    If Mike properly switches there, he prevents the drive and ultimately has to settle for a contested long 2 pullup.
     
  7. YOLO

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    There’s no scheme there. There wasn’t really a screen to fight over. He was out of position of guarding lavine to begin with. The ball is obviously going to end up in his hands. But he puts him self in no mans land and it cost them. Butler completely blew it. The correct play is absolutely not to switch your “best” defender onto a non threat. That’s a terrible defensive scheme then if that’s your mo
     
  8. YOLO

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    No idea where this scheme claim is coming from. It’s a game winning play. Lavine is going to get the ball. Your best players always do. Butler if he was going a true stopper would stay on Lavine. That’s on butler. No stopper would let a soft “screen” such as that deter them off the best player that’s going to get the ball
     
  9. pippendagimp

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    the screen was so weak that i think butler could have slid over and stayed in front of lavine. as a former elite defensive player, that would have been my instinct to jump past that screen and stick with him. and i would have dealt w/ a possibly pissed off coach afterward :D
     
  10. BigMaloe

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    This is innaccurate.

    Just because it was a bad screen doesnt mean it wasn't there. Butler still has chase lavine and go over rolo. No way hes able to keep up and maintain defensive positioning right there having to do that.

    The scheme is there, the scheme is to switch on screens. Just because you don't recognize that doesnt mean it's not there.

    The only thing not there is Mike making an effective switch. If he switches like he was supposed to, he would be planted firmly in position where lavine was trying to drive. Ultimately preventing the drive.
     
  11. YOLO

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    Not inaccurate at all. That’s what a true defensive high iq team would do. Instead it was a display of bad awareness, Terrible defensive iq, and no accountability. And butler supposedly being one of your best players. Yeah not a good thing at all. No team is switching their better defender onto some 0 threat. That shouldn’t even be debated. Just horrible
     
  12. Vivi

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    People may not like Butler, but aside the fact that he's a top 15/20 player in the league (which might/should be a good enough reason to want him here), if you want the Rockets to make an upgrade, he's pretty much the only piece that can provide that to us at this point. If you're against this, don't whine when Chris Paul gets injured in a game 6 and we have no one that can really help Harden. And keep in mind that Gordon might very well bolt in a year, if you can trade for Butler in our situation you just do that. I wouldn't read too much into the problems he had in Chicago and Minnesota, trash tier organizations.

    The Bulls are one of the worst organizations out there, if not the worst, i just can't blame a player who wants to be out there.

    As for the Wolves well, they've shown to be a super mediocre organization for years, i don't blame Butler for asking to get traded since he's about to sign his last big contract, he has no chance to compete in Minnesota with those players and that front office.
     
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    I'm done arguing with both of yall. Yall lack the understanding of the teams defensive identity.

    Go back and watch the game.

    They switched every screen almost all game long.

    Butler did exactly what you asked at 17 seconds trying to be the hero, which was wrong of him. He was in horrible horrible posposit trying to defend lavine. Help defender had to come help which led to rolo being wide open by the rim and getting fouled.

    I'm talking to brick walls who think every defense is supposed to be your best defender against the ball like the offense doesnt know how to avoid that.
     
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  14. YOLO

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    This scheme you for whatever reason keep alluding to is a huge gimmick. It’s a game winning possession. You have to understand what’s likely going to happen. And that’s lavine is going to get the ball. You want to stop him with obviously your better defender. Switching that to someone who is not going to do a damn thing is absolutely stupid and one of the worse excuses made for a huge mistake by butler. Everything is not always about “scheme” excuses are made for people who refuse to take any sort of accountability. In this case butler 100% dropped the ball. No, but philly’s “scheme” is saving him from that. Just stop with that nonsense. With that, no need to go further. Bad defense isn’t worth talking this much about
     
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    Double post
     
  16. pippendagimp

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    you shouldn't get so worked up over players who aren't even rockets :D
     
  17. BigMaloe

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    Put the rockets in that same situation.

    Replace Jimmy with Tucker and Mike with anyone.

    Tucker 100% switches because it's the right play.

    A worse defender that is in perfect position is better than a better defender in a bad position.

    Jeez man, it's not difficult to comprehend.
     
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  18. YOLO

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    Absolutely not. Tucker is not getting off Lavine by a feather of a screen like that. 100% no. Tucker is taking on the challenge of stopping Lavine no doubt.

    You’re not going to convince anyone that’s correct defense. It isn’t. You really shouldn’t be believing it is, and trying to pass it on as what is supposed to be done
     
  19. RocketOrg

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    I can’t believe Morey offered 4 first round picks with players for Butler.
     
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    This ending F’d up my parlay. I lost 300 bucks and missed out on like 500 profit I think. Sad.

    I figured no way Philly would drop a game like this when they should be desperately chasing the third seed. Stupid me
     

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