strikes me as a pretty amusing double standard at play here. In other threads we get a "if people think it is x (x=racist or whatever), then it IS x." Think of the great MAGA hat discussions. Here, we do not apply the same guideline ("if people think it is anti-semitic then it is anti-semitic") but rather are given an objective truth standard of anti-semitism: "she would need to say something actually anti-Semitic" . . . . just sayin'
This. I dont wear my red hat not because i think it is offensive but because others find it offensive. I have a sweet one with the embroidered signature too. Unworn.
Ya I'm sure you can spin it that way when you remove all context. Omar isn't worshiping a cult of personality who's "conservative" political career started from pandering to the base racism of the right wing with birtherism nonsense, calling most undocumented Mexicans rapists, calling for an outright ban of immigration of the second largest religious group on the planet, creating a false story of "thousands upon thousands" of Muslims celebrating 9/11 in the streets of Jersey City or retweeting false black crime data from an infographic created by a self labeled white nationalist group, or pardoning a sheriff who refused to abide by a court order to cease and desist his practice of violating 4th amendment rights of citizens by detaining them based on their appearance before he even was sentenced or using his campaign rallies as glorified police blotters for crimes committed by non-white people in order to fuel the jingoist rage of his rally audience .
I suggest replying to my comment right after your post Also, if your best argument for calling Omar a anti-semite is that the left loosely labels people as racist, then the narrative already failed.
Didn't you bring Trump up about claiming a double standard with his supporters? My post was in response to your claim and my response explains how it isn't a double standard. Are you willing to actually engage in the actual content of my post without a reductive meme? Or is the content so irrefutable that reductive memes is all you have?
you're the one who labeled my post as "spin" : Ya I'm sure you can spin it that way when you remove all context.
But I did provide context and you haven't even attempted to respond to the context and as per usual resort to D&D drama instead of actually discussing the content of a post.
No need to apologize. Just actually respond with sincerity for once and actually engage in the content of the post you are responding to instead of just posting a meme or claiming "whataboutism". Honestly, how long do you think your shtick will last here? Eventually people are just going to ignore you.
fair enough strikes me as a pretty amusing double standard at play here. In other threads we get a "if people think it is x (x=racist or whatever), then it IS x." Think of the great MAGA hat discussions. Here, we do not apply the same guideline ("if people think it is anti-semitic then it is anti-semitic") but rather are given an objective truth standard of anti-semitism: "she would need to say something actually anti-Semitic" . . . . just sayin'
So since you pretty much just regurgitated the exact same.post without addressing any of my points I'll just post my post that addresses your regurgitated post: Ya I'm sure you can spin it that way when you remove all context. Omar isn't worshiping a cult of personality who's "conservative" political career started from pandering to the base racism of the right wing with birtherism nonsense, calling most undocumented Mexicans rapists, calling for an outright ban of immigration of the second largest religious group on the planet, creating a false story of "thousands upon thousands" of Muslims celebrating 9/11 in the streets of Jersey City or retweeting false black crime data from an infographic created by a self labeled white nationalist group, or pardoning a sheriff who refused to abide by a court order to cease and desist his practice of violating 4th amendment rights of citizens by detaining them based on their appearance before he even was sentenced or using his campaign rallies as glorified police blotters for crimes committed by non-white people in order to fuel the jingoist rage of his rally audience .
“I get emotional . . . Because I know that I have a huge Jewish constituency and, you know, every time I meet with them, they share stories of safety and sanctuary that they would love for the people of Israel and, most of the time when we’re having the conversation, you know, there is no actual relative that they speak of, and there is still lots of emotions (sic) that comes through because its family, right? My children still speak of Somalia with passion and compassion even though they don’t have a family member there. But we never really allow space for the stories of Palestinians seeking safety and sanctuary to be uplifted. And to me it is the dehumanization and the silencing of a particular pain and suffering of a people that should not be ok and normal. And you can’t be in the practice of humanizing and uplifting the suffering of one if you’re not willing to do that for everybody. And so for me I know that when I hear, right, my Jewish constituents, or friends or colleagues, speak about Palestinians who don’t want safety or who aren’t deserving, I stay focused on what the actual debate about what that process should look like. I never go in the dark place of saying ‘here’s a Jewish person, they’re talking about Palestinians, Palestinians are Muslim, maybe they’re Islamophobic.’ I’ll never allow myself to go there, because I don’t have to. And what I am fearful of, is that because Rashida (Tlaib) and I are Muslim, that a lot of our Jewish colleagues, a lot of our constituents, a lot of our allies, go to thinking that everything we say about Israel, to be anti-Semitic because we are Muslim. And so, to me, it’s something that becomes designed to end the debate, because you get in this space of, ‘yes, like, I know what intolerance looks like, and I’m sensitive when someone says the words you use are resemblance of intolerance.’ And I am cautious of that, and I feel pained by that. But it’s almost as if every single time we say something, regardless of what it is we say, that is supposed to be about foreign policy or engagement or advocacy about ending oppression, or the freeing of every human life, and wanting dignity, we get to be labeled as something, and that ends the discussion. Because we end up defending that, and nobody ever gets to the have the proper debate of what is happening with Palestine. [Pause, applause.] So I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says that it’s ok for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country, I want to ask, why is it ok for me to talk about the influence of the NRA or fossil fuel industries or Big Pharma, and not talk about a powerful lobbying group that is influencing policy. I want to ask the question of why is it ok for you to push, for you to be, there’s so many people, I mean, most of us are new, but many members of Congress have been there forever, some of them have been there before we were born, so I know many of them were fighting for people to be free, for people to live in dignity in South Africa, I know many of them fight for people around the world, to have dignity, to have self-determination, so I know that they care about these things. But now that you have two Muslims that are saying ‘there’s a group of people that we want to make sure have the same dignity that you want everybody else to have’ we get to be called names and we get to be labeled as hateful. No, we know what that looks like. We experience it every single day. I receive death threats. . . . There are gas stations that have written on their bathrooms ‘assassinate Ilhan Omar. . . .’”
I have a beautiful Obama cap as do all my friends -- we decided to wear out caps while did some sight seeing in Vidor. People were so mean to us -- I was shocked!
He is responding to your claim of a double standard. You are replying with a memo to stop the conversation. Sad tactic.
I love this, and it is very thoughtful. But the point I was trying to make above is still about the double standard here. Omar may in fact be saying "I'm not racist, I'm sincere, I represent my Jewish constituents, and they love me, etc etc etc." But the FACT remains that you have people on the outside looking in--some of them Jews--who take her words as hateful anti-semitic dog whistles . . . in precisely the same way anti-Trumpers take the words of Trump as racist dog whistles (e.g., "there are some very fine people on both sides"). I don't think you can have your cake and eat it too, here. Which is is? do we take both individuals' words at face value, or do we interpret both individuals' thinly-veiled dog whistles as code for some other kind of meaning?
This wasn’t about the double standard. I posted this prior to reading any of that between you and the other poster. I think people that take a strong position either way, IMO, should at least listen to what was actually said and not what others think.
