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Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

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  1. MojoMan

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    Anyone who believes either this panel or any combination of the polls at this point are determinative in an way is not a very smart person.

    Do you believe there is a lot of passion among Democrats for Joe Biden to run for President this year? For him as the candidate that the party supports in the general election? The panel says not really. Do you disagree?

    What would you have said in answer to these questions if you had been on this panel?
     
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    The only reason you care is because you want as radical a candidate as possible so that Trump will have a easy target.

    You do know I have been reading your post for about 3 years now.
     
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  3. biff17

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    So why did you post about this panel?

    i don't think there is any particular passion for Biden but I think he can win a majority of voters in the primary and will not carry the baggage and apathy that Hillary did in the general election.
     
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  4. Nook

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    How is it stupid? Who is she going to offend? The Evangelists that were never going to support a black democrat from California?

    She isn't really upsetting women voters and she is may even pull some apolitical support from people that usually do not vote.

    I don't like Harris but this isn't a big deal.
     
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  5. MojoMan

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    Well, I have said I do not want Amy Klobuchar because she would be a very awkward and difficult competitor for Trump in the general election. I have also said I would love to see Kamala Harris win, because I think that would be an absolute meltdown of a candidacy in the general election.

    But if you have been reading as you say you have, you know that I have been commenting on nearly all of the candidates. And there are a bunch of them. I have also posted articles and commented on the general dynamics of this race and provided quite a bit of my own analysis along the way. It is to provide this commentary and analysis that I started this thread and it is why I have posted frequently in it.

    If I only wanted to profess my support for the most radical candidate running, one or two posts would have covered that. But I have posted and commented on really quite a lot more than that.
     
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    I basically agree with your post above. If you stop and think about it, it is potentially problematic for the Dems to nominate a nominee that they are somewhat ambivalent about. And not only was there a similar ambivalence towards Hillary as there is towards Joe Biden by many Democrat voters, but this was a significant factor in her loss to Donald Trump. It could be for Joe Biden as well.

    As far as the baggage of Joe Biden, it cannot be as much as Hillary's baggage, I do not believe. But he will not have the Clinton machine behind her the way that she did. And he will be found to have more baggage than what I believe you are currently expecting.
     
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    Bwahaha. By all means, choose her as the party nominee then.
     
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  8. Nook

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    Is that really what you got out of what I said?

    You really want prostitution to be the horse you die on? You know that your wonderful President was raw dogging a prostitute while his wife was still recovering from giving birth to his son, right?

    Again, this is another one of those issues that Trump cannot criticize or offer a contrary opinion based on his past behavior and comments.

    Trump: "Legalizing prostitution is wrong, it is immoral."

    Harris: "Did you feel that way when you shot your sperm into a prostitute while your wife was bonding with her son?"

    It just isn't a good look..... he loses on that one every single time.
     
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    nobody will have as much baggage as Trump and you never mention that there his huge energy toward voting Trump out no matter who the candidate is.
     
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  10. JuanValdez

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    I answered your question and didn't get so much as a Like. I feel so used! :(
    :D
     
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    Sorry I did not reply earlier. This is actually a pretty good answer.

    I disagree that the radical policy suggestions made by Kamala Harris and others are not radical. The list above in certain cases would be more radical, although it is not clear to me at all that some of the Democrats running for president, including Kamala Harris, would not support most or all of these.

    Someone should ask these candidates if they would support these positions on your list above. I think you might be surprised to see how many do support them, or something very close to them.

    Also, Kamala Harris and several others have already come out supporting reparations. Your item #1 is just a more specific description of what that might look like. I would be willing to bet money that she and the others that have endorsed reparations would support that one.
     
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    he's right you know.jpg
     
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    I included that one because of my annoyance at the characterization of 'reparations' proposals. What Harris and Warren have endorsed so far are pretty modest reforms, usually not racially targeted, intended to incrementally narrow the racial gap in wealth and/or opportunity. They have not asked for anything remotely like a direct transfer of wealth to a group of people based on their race and I would be very surprised to ever see them do so. It's stuff like how to make it easier for people of modest means generally to go to college, or to buy houses, to start businesses, or whatever.
     
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    Sherrod Brown has decided not to run for President. He was not going to win anyway, but he could have raised his profile by running. In any case, Sherrod is out.

    Sherrod Brown says he will not run for president

    Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) announced Thursday that he will not mount a 2020 bid for the White House, saying that he believes the best way for him to serve the country is in the Senate. “I will keep calling out Donald Trump and his phony populism. I will keep fighting for all workers across the country. And I will do everything I can to elect a Democratic President and a Democratic Senate in 2020," Brown said in a statement. "The best place for me to make that fight is in the United States Senate.”​

    This announcement is notable because Sherrod Brown was one of the few plausible moderates that has discussed running this cycle for the Democrats. With him out, Joe Biden becomes even more vividly the candidate of the establishment. If not Joe, then who else?
     
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    We talking clowns?
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    I was interested to learn more about Sherrod. But, his logic does make sense. He has an incumbency advantage on his senate seat, and there'd be risk that Democrats actually lose the seat to Republicans if Sherrod vacated it. Why take the risk for a longshot at the presidency. A mature choice, imo.
     
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