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Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

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  1. MojoMan

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    So, here they go, going all-in with the incendiary racial name calling and invective, led by one of their leading race agitators, Kamala Harrris. Because Democrats are all about civility and decorum, after all. {sarcasm}

    Kamala Harris says she believes Trump is a racist

    Kamala Harris said in an interview published Tuesday that she believes Trump is a racist, offering one of the most blunt assessments of the president from the 2020 Democratic field. When asked by The Root's Terrell Starr if she believes Trump to be a racist, the California senator responded directly: “I do. Yes. Yes.”

    Harris' comments were more stark than some of her fellow Democratic presidential hopefuls. Sen. Cory Booker was far more cautious earlier this month when asked the same question, saying, "I don't know the heart of anybody. I leave that to the Lord." Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, meanwhile, has called Trump's immigration policies "racist," and former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro has said Trump has "contributed to more racial strife."
    What a surprise, Kamala Harris going straight to the bottom. Well, we see what her campaign is going to be about.
     
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    Holy fu$kballs...

    Someone called out someone else who is racist.... by calling them racist!!!! Mind blown.

    You are who you are. Trump is racist. He might only be racist as a offspring of being an opportunist. That’s the most favorable view one can have if his racism. But still a racist.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

    More people should just call a spade a spade.

    Is Trump racist? Yes
    Is Trump a liar? Yes
    Is Trump sexist? Yes
    Is Trump an idiot? Yes (this is proven regularly. His inability to comprehend the meaning of an MOU in a political setting a couple days ago is pure entertainment of stupidity)
    Is Trump a hypocrite? Yes
    Is a Trump just generally mean? Yes
    Does Trump care about money above everything else? Yes

    These are just facts.

    A fact is something that can be proven to be true. It is not up for debate.

    I don’t know which one of the “clowns” in the field so far is best for the country but I see no problem with one fo they just calling out the facts.
     
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    Well, we all get to have our own opinion, no?

    But I'll elaborate: by "serious," I mean a candidate who is more centrist and is not a supporter of crazy ideas like UBI, GND, etc.

    Others, like Corey Booker, have hurt their own chances and diminished their own credibility with things like "Spartacus" moments, etc.

    If someone like Bill Clinton of 1992 came along, that person could possibly give Trump a run for his money.

    Also, the Dems are going to need someone who can get back those rust belt states that Trump won. Biden would have a decent chance at doing that.

    I don't see any of the current Democratic contenders doing that.
     
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    We are talking about Trump …. man anything can happen with this guy.



    Uncle Joe is offended ….

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    Michael Barone observes that the Democrats are going out too far on the left-wing tree limb:

    Democrats Are Getting Out on a Dangerously Left-Wing Limb

    Democratic presidential candidates have been going out on potentially shaky left-wing limbs, including the Green New Deal sketched out by the exuberant freshman Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Endorsers include putatively serious candidates such as Sens. Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris, Amy Klobuchar, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

    The idea is to ban net carbon emissions in just 10 years, which evidently means no gasoline-powered cars, no beef from methane-producing cattle and no passenger airplanes. Obamacare, passed nearly 10 years ago, is no longer enough for Democrats. In his 2016 campaign, Sanders called for "Medicare-for-all," and he and other declared candidates are echoing that this cycle.

    Then there is the issue of reparations for descendants of slaves, urged without much visible effect by longtime Rep. John Conyers and author Ta-Nehisi Coates, whose widely praised best-seller argues that America today is just as racist as ever, and always will be. Polls show this unsurprisingly unpopular, but Harris, Warren and fellow candidate Rep. Julian Castro have signed on for "some form" of reparations.

    Support for legal abortion has been a Democratic staple for years. But Democrats have recently moved left to pass laws allowing it up to nine months. They did so successfully in New York and unsuccessfully in Virginia, after Gov. Ralph Northam suggested it would apply after birth.

    {More at the link}​

    These positions are flat out radical. If they wanted to be more radical than this, what could they realistically do to become more so? In fact, I would have imagined they never would have gone as far as this. Obama never did, that is for sure, at least not during his campaigns. But now these candidates are going all the way to the wall with these radical extreme hard left positions.

    Don't get me wrong, I am delighted to see the Democrats finally coming out publically and admitting who they are and what they really stand for. It is just as an objective observer of this as a campaign strategy for the purpose of winning power in this country through the office of President of the United States, it looks like a rather huge loser of an agenda.
     
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    I generally don't think its very useful to call someone a racist. It shuts down dialogue and creates a standoff. But some of Trump's biggest 'sins' that make liberals hate him so much revolve around his racist policies and attitudes -- nativism, xenophobia, Islamophobia, etc. Should you really be chosen to lead the liberal response to Trump if you won't acknowledge and name the thing liberals are thinking?
     
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    What a lie. He has not said anything that is actually racist. Also, it does not appear to me that he is a racist. Nobody ever thought he was prior to him announcing his candidacy for president. And at that very moment, the Democrat left and their partners in the media went totally berzerk and have continued that pattern to this very day.

    His detractors have zoomed in on certain comments that he has made and then spun them as hard as they could, with no regard at all whatsoever for whether those recriminations were true and with a complete unwillingness to apply those hyper-aggressive standards to the people on their own "side". Then the usual race agitator types all rushed out to take turns screaming "racist," in their typical, race-obsessed, racist manner.

    None of what you attribute to him is actually true. But it is clearly the deluded practice of many of his most hateful opponents to believe that if they repeat a lie often enough, with the usual suspects on television jumping in to join the lynch mob style frenzy, then in their eyes that converts a lie into the truth.

    But it doesn't. What a bunch of unconscionable, relentless liars these people are.

    Also, it appears to me that after the series of episodes we have witnessed going back to the Kavanaugh hearings, a great many people who would have formerly just lazily nodded along with these sorts of hatefully dishonest recriminations are on to this pattern of behavior now, and they will much more skeptical of this sort of behavior from now on.
     
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    His buy call on Beta is a head scratcher for me. But other than that, Trende looks like he is probably pretty close.

    I am still taken aback by what an extreme radical hard left + racially charged platform Kamala Harris has come out with. I was earlier projecting her to be the nominee. Maybe she still will be, but if she wins the nomination on this platform, Trump is winning again for sure.

    Also, I might want to sell on Biden too, but with Harris going off the rails right from the start, if not Joe, then who? It is currently looking like it has to be Joe Biden if they want to have any kind of a real chance in the general. So think I may have to go with Hold on Joe Biden, at least for the time being.
     
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    Dude they only lost the rust belt voters by 200,000 that's not a lot of votes to get back.
     
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    when has Harris ever been leading in the polls for the nomination?

    why is Harris such a hot topic?

    What does Biden have to do with Harris when concerning the Democrats chance for winning 20/20?

    I guess the only way you Trumpets can sleep at knight is to concoct every extreme scenario for a candidate running for president against Trump.

    i can easily see Klobacjar going traction and she could neatly into the Biden role of he does not run.

    If Biden runs it's lights out for Trump.
     
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    I'm just speaking to the liberal mindset, to whatever extent I have a decent perspective. 86% of Democrats say he is a racist. If 86% of the people you want to vote for you say the sky is yellow, shouldn't you say the sky is yellow?

    But anyway, as one of those TDS liberals, I can say the dude is a total freaking racist. He started his presidential campaign by saying Mexicans were rapists. And not just recently -- since way before he was in politics. He was literally sued by the DOJ for racial discrimination in housing. To me and to 86% of Democrats there isn't much question about it. You can say it's not true. You can say I'm a race agitator. You can say I'm an unconscionable, relentless liar. You can say I've been mindlessly manipulated by the spin of the Democrat left and their partners in the media. But, on this issue I feel supremely confident in saying he's a racist. His wall is racist, his immigration goals are racist, his Muslim travel ban is racist, his inaction on police brutality is racist. You think I'll be voting for a guy who says, "Ho, hum, I don't know. Maybe he's just misunderstood"? Say I'm wrong about it but it doesn't matter. A candidate who says Trump's a racist has a better shot at my vote than someone who won't. My guess is they'll have a better shot in the primary too.
     
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    1. Harris, Bernie and Joe Biden were my three 'way too early' favorites. I think she led in one one-off poll at some point, but for the most part, it has been Biden and Bernie, with Kamala Harris in third. In fact, that is what the RCP poll average shows right now.

    2. Harris is such a hot topic because she has plausible claim to more of the Democrat left's "Identity politics" check-marks than any other candidate. Wouldn't it be racist or something like that if she does not get the nomination? Just checking.

    3. Let's look at the top three candidates in the RCP Poll average, which were also my top three from before there was a poll average for this race. If Bernie wins the nomination for the Democrats, like it or not, Trump wins. Kamala Harris seems to nearly be trying to outlfank Bernie from the left. Not really, but when you add in the racial stuff, she is shaping up to be the most aggressively radical far left, race-oriented candidate in US history, by far.

    If Kamala was willing to moderate and lie about who she is and what she stands for the way Obama did - forget what the polls say - I think she might give Joe and Bernie a real run for their money. But she is not doing that and the Democrat establishment is already going after Bernie pretty openly with a view towards taking him out. Which leaves Joe Biden.

    4. Your fourth remark was too unfocused for me to even try to respond to, or else I would have.

    5. Good point about Klobuchar, especially if the rest of the field is going to self-destruct as fast as they can find a way, straight out of the gate. While I have taken the position all along that she would be the Democrat's best hope in the the general, I do not believe she is probably salty or provocative enough to catch on with a Democrat left base that seems committed to forming a lynch mob style frenzy on approximately a weekly basis. She is just not that type of candidate. And if she were to become that candidate, then the justifications for voting for her goes away. The Democrats do not need her to be another radical, howling and calling names type candidate. They have more than enough of those already.

    6. Keep telling yourself that about Joe if you want. He does not look like he is really up for this if you ask me. And he is a gaff-o-matic if ever there was one. Also, he is known for being very 'handsy' with the ladies, so you can flush the woman's card completely goodbye if you want him to be your nominee. He might very well win the nomination. But the general, I would not be so confident if I were you. Remember Hillary 2016.
     
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    Perhaps. I'll take your word that that was the vote difference. But I'm still not convinced that Harris or Booker or anyone else currently running for the Dems would get those rust belt states.
     
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    Great post. And I don't think (as other have suggested) that Trump's so-called "Muslim ban" was actual evidence of "Islamophobia."

    OTOH, at what point are we actually allowed to observe where the foreign terrorism is coming from?
     
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    He didn't actually say this. He said most of the people coming in illegally were.

    Now, that's not entirely correct either, and his statement is indeed unfortunate, but your characterization of his statement would imply that he thinks -all- Mexicans are like that, including ones that live their whole lives in Mexico. And that's not what he said.
     
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    He knows very well that is not what Trump said, and yet he states what he knows is not true, without hesitation or remorse. That is of course routine and ordinary behavior among active supporters of the Democrat left these days.
     
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