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Danuel house IS Overrated here.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Le$$, Feb 14, 2019.

  1. YOLO

    YOLO Member

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    your words not anyone elses.

    nothing underrating about it. its only underrating to you because of the urgency you think house needs to be signed for. Organization obviously hasn't thought so for the past 2 months. I'm sure they still think he may have a spot here eventually but they won't be rushing it and aren't in reality
     
  2. heypartner

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    That quote is from the Lakers' game

    lulz. You want Green to have a shorter leash, and play who?
     
  3. YOLO

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    yeah i'd say when he was missed like 8 shots in a row and doing nothing else. yeah that leash needs to be pulled
     
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    Whether or not House can contribute I think it’s safe to say he can’t be more useless than Shumpert.
     
  5. roslolian

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    Rox can also convert any GLeague player besides House, it's not personal but you are factually wrong. In fact other GLsague players are better option because Rox can get them to a two way first before they need to resign him.

    Green has proven way more than House where is this defensive prowess, genius IQ and defensive rebounding in the GLeague?

    House: 4.8 rebs 3.4 assist 54.5 TS%
    Green: 2.6 rebs 2.4 assist 56.9 TS%

    Green is performing better than House considering NBA is 10x harder than GLeague.

    If your argument is true and the Rox "need" House because of all the qualities he brings then he should be dominating the GLeague, no? Harty is performing way better than him but I dont see you posting how we need Hartenstein.
     
  6. heypartner

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    He wouldn't even be off the bench first vs House.

    Green got 10 DNPs last year in our 2nd half push, because even MDA likes to play more defense. Right now, he doesn't have that option.
     
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    I agree, this is the real discussion....vs this Overrated nonesense. But the negotiations are largely irrelevant now.

    Much of that stalemate time was spent getting under the tax. Now that it is no longer an issue, wrt converting, Morey just doesn't want to convert him for precedence...that's a sourced position of Morey's.

    Do you agree with that?
     
  8. YOLO

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    ok so going with this last year thing. what was house doing last year at this time
     
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  9. YOLO

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    somewhat. its morey we're talking about it. notoriously known for keeping his options open as much as he can. and if you're trying to play ball with him good luck
     
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  10. heypartner

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    no they can't. I don't think you know the rules.
     
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  11. heypartner

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    House is forcing RFA. Not so sure Morey has all the cards here, aside from Houston being House's preferred team.

    Morey's only play left is maybe (and questionably) believing stashing a player out of the spot light will prevent them from getting a vet min deal in the summer. It's certainly shooting yourself in the foot for these upcoming big games.

    It's also reasonable to believe Morey is viewing a multiyear as replacement for the 2 future SRPs he traded, and lack of one this year, ie House under multiyear would have trade value = a SRP, or a Melton, maybe more. If Morey is to realize that value, then House has more cards. And Morey very well could be waiting for the time he can offer more MLE to overcome The House Ace Card to force RFA.

    Saying House has an RFA card to play isn't overrating him, and saying Morey likes to buy SRPs/players isn't overrating a minor, tradeable contract, especailly in a draft when Morey has zero picks and cash to buy them.
     
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    what's the specific last day you can convert a contract and still be playoff eligible again?
     
  13. Deuce

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    Say what you want about House. But House makes a difference in rebounding and boxing out. And he leaks out in transition to get you easy baskets.

    So if rebounding issues anger you (which they do, me), and if you want to see the team get some easy buckets, then you want House on the court.
     
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  14. heypartner

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    last day of season

    keep in mind and fwiw: Morey will call up House on March 24th (end of GL season) to play tax-free on his 2-Way contract.
     
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    Regarding the spoiler ... when is a time where we can offer more MLE to house ?

    I thought that any MLE at this point puts us over the LT given that it is pro-rated differently than the vet min . But , I fully admit I don't know **** about that particular issue .

    I agree that we might just stash him for the rest of the year to attempt to lower his value . He will be an RFA but we can match and if he doesn't play another NBA minute this year then or course outside offers will be depressed .

    This whole situation has been a cluster**** and I blame the FO
     
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    gotcha. for some reason I thought it was sometime in march for him to still be playoff eligible
     
  17. roslolian

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    Pretty sure they can call up other GLeague players where does it state only Danuel freaking House can be called up? Iirc Rox even had to sign 2 guys to a 2 way hence TJones and Choiza were given 10 days.
     
  18. heypartner

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    We can sign him to a lucrative MLE right now, without going over, assuming Capela doesn't realize all three of his bonuses. Keep in mind, all Bima's previous math was about signing two players -- a Buyout and House and staying under tax, and at what dates.

    As far as just one player is concerned, we are already under enough to give a substantial increase to first offer -- not to say we will, but just to hammer home the answer to the question.​

    It's not a function of which exception prorates, when. It's simpler than that wrt going over the LT.

    Regardless of exception used, the salary you add to Team Salary is Remainder of Season pay (ie. $/day x Number of Days remaining). You can look up current Team Salary at Spotrac and view how much below the Taxline we are. You can do the ROS math for any full-season contract amount and see if it fits.

    example (assuming Capela only gets $1.5m in bonuses and not the full $2m):​
    • House's vet min = $8,546 per day
    • There are 42 days left as of Feb 28th.
    • So, add $358,932 to Spotrac's Team Salary to see it is well under the Tax Line (and that already includes $1.5m of Capele's bonuses, which might not be met)
    • That $358,932 is equivalent to a $1.5m salary (the vet min for House)
    • So, we could offer him the equivalent of like $2.5m now. (as, we also have to fit a 10-day under that, too)
    • That gap between TaxLine and Remainder of Season pay gets bigger the longer we wait. We also get more accurancy wrt Capela's bonuses.
     
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  19. heypartner

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    You cannot call up anyone but your own players. You can sign free agents who aren't under NBA contract, Draft Rights or 2-Ways, though, and that landed us Chiozza and TJones.

    You see, every team can protect their 2 most valuable GL players from poaching, and that doesn't count any under control with draft rights.

    So, my guess is there are about 60-70 players in the GLeague who cannot be poached.
     
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    Yeah, I am starting to get dubious that there is going to be a "buyout guy" signed for the rest of the season. Better stated a guy worthy of that.

    Right now....the best guy is Danuel House.
     
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