Sources: Butler will be Moreys main target this summer, and he feels fairly confident it will happen

Butler had been on some teams with young guys.

I don’t see that being a problem here.

We’re the complete opposite.

We’re old as can be in nba years.

Our team aligns with jimmys age and mindset.

Plus him harden and tucker can talk fashion and do runway shows to the arena on all the national TV games this team would have with his addition lol.

 

Right. Embiid is an allstar but he isn't a "proven star". Nobody respects Simmons even if he is considered a max guy and averaging 17 9 7. Oth Green is more respected then those two because he had been sitting in his couch contemplating retirement before last season started.

What is stupid is you coming up to me and saying 2 all stars get less respect than a vet min dude and Tucker who while a respected vet has never even been an allstar.

This makes zero sense what about Tucker will make Butler respect him when he doesn't respect JJ Reddick on the sixers? You clearly are not an insider and nor you speak for Jimmy B so stop assuming he will respect X or disrespect Y player when he has said nothing. When did he say he has respect for a player based on his age? Did he say he looked down on all stars who are younger than him he is ok with vet min players older than him? All these are just your assumptions so stop acting like you have any basis for it.

Jimmy B will not respect Houston Rockets players because he hates the color red. That statement as much basis as you talking about how Butler will respect Gerald Green wtf.

 

What kind of idiot are you?? Jimmy LOVES red, and therefore he will respect the Rockets.

 

Just a few points here:

1. @Clutch has already vouched for @cyberx. You guys questioning his legitimacy are wrong.

2. You need to read @Deuce's posts on this thread. He has the most legit speculation.

3. Malakas and others are right. This is about money. But not entirely. It's also about fit and role. Butler does use the double extensively end likes to go to the rim. The stuff about him wanting to handle in PnR is true.

As I stated here, Sources: Rockets have eyes on Jimmy B
Sources: Rockets have eyes on Jimmy B

Butler was eligible for a supermax deal from Chicago before he was traded. He's an 8-year vet. He decided he wanted out of Chicago and forced his way out to Minny. Thibs did him dirty. Butler was counting on Minny to renegotiate his deal this summer to help make up for the money he lost by being traded and denied the super max. He wanted a 3-year extension from Thibs at the max, which would have carried him to age 31 after the 2020-21 season, when he would be a 10-year vet and eligible for the higher 35% max salary with Birds rights for 5 years and 8% raises.

Thibs foolishly signed free agents and gave extensions and denied Butler a renegotiated deal (contrary to what Morey did when he took cap space and gave Harden the money). That was it. Bridge.burned forever. between Thibs and Butler. And that is why Thibs was fired. Butler told Taylor. From then on it was over.

So now, Butter is trying to maximize his money and his role. Morey was willing to trade 4 picks...because Butler was willing to sign an extension here to get him to ten years. And we were asking for more back with Butler. (It was about an extension, not an opt-in.)

Now........since Butler was traded to Philly,,,, and not here (or Miami) it's about him signing a one-year deal with a player option on year 2 (to get him to 10 years service). And he really wants to retain his Birds rights (for higher raises and the 5th year) rather than sign a short term deal elsewhere.

The reason Morey is optimistic is obvious. He knows Butler was willing to come here and extend So he's optimistic that Butler may be willing to opt in and be traded.... at this point ...... but we would not be giving up 4 picks this time.


(And I still think the preferred order of events would be to trade for him then send him to Miami for Winslow and a contract.)

 

Just to be clear, if Butler did the "opt-in" and trade to Houston, Houston couldn't then sign him to an extension immediate for a higher salary because Houston would not have the available cap room to do it. Butler would have to ride it out a year and then become a UFA for which Houston would have his bird rights. He COULD leave to go somewhere else in 2020 (Miami?) but he could get the "most money" in Houston. That would be Morey's edge.

Since Gordon's contract runs out next year too, really moving Gordon for Butler Houston is in the same boat. Only thing is they would lose a draft pick.

I know @Nook has speculated many times that Butler has eyes for Los Angeles. But right now the Clippers are probably gonna get Kawhi. Will they use up the rest of the money on Butler? I have doubts. Will the Lakers use their 1 Max Cap slot on Butler? Does Butler want to play with LeBron? I have doubts. Does Butler want to go to Brooklyn? eh. New York looks like a KD destination.

Just playing things out, not sure where Butler ends up. I don't think he is a good fit in Philly, tbh. Tobias is a better fit, and that's probably why they made the move to trade for him to get his bird rights.

 

You basically have it. He wants to partner with Kyrie in NYC but Durant likely takes that spot. After that is a series of bad fits I don't think he likes. I think he would look at the Clippers but Kawhi and it is definitive that Philly saw Harris as a Butler replacement and know the fit there is bad. I think the Rockets should try to route resigning Shump to 1yr deal and keep EGo while instead leveraging picks. Philly would likely want to leverage a 3 way on that expiring. Otherwise you throw away two assets and we have to pray the TP MLE could satisfy Faried. By the end of the year you would want the flexibility with EGo vs just throwing him away in trade. EGo at that point is a 32 yr old guard with an injury history and his salary may not be as high. All in all still highly doubtful this goes down. Too many ifs.

 

If I knew and saw you I would slap the dog **** outta you.
You’re the kind of kid who managed his middle school basketball team bc you couldn’t even crack the B team. You that annoying kid who no one likes bc your arguments are that of an amateur, listen to yourself, please. Now you’re telling me that only guys who are All-Stars are respected, the stupidity continues.
And I never came up to you because I’ve never physically seen you, idiot.
I bet you Ariza probably has more respect from his peers than Harden. What about Bobby Brown? I bet he gets a lot of respect from his peers. PJ is another guy who playera respect. Guess what? Dwight’s Howard was an All-Star and guys don’t respect him. Please go check yourself and learn some basketball lingo before making such stupid ass statements.
When Butler got hurt last year Harden and CP were the first ones to go visit him at the hospital, not only does that show love and respect for Jimmy but vice versa.

 

Simmons and Embiid are clowns and Jimmy knows it. The only drama we he through two last years is Eric not having fun and that tells you a lot about that locker room. We got Chris Paul, PJ, GG and Nene on the same team. Its different type of mental leadership than 76 even if they have more talent rn.

 

Butler wants money right away, not one year later.
He is not healthy enough.

 

Uh, guys.....





“You can try to deny him, but he’ll find a way to get it and make an incredible play for himself or for somebody else,” Butler said. “That’s just who he is as a player. That’s why he’s fun to watch & everybody respects him around the league. We all know he’s a hell of a player.”

 

windwhore faints...

 

He looked like sh*t last night. I hear he has been pretty mediocre in Philly. Hopefully he refinds his next level if he comes here.

 

They're a much more talented couple of clowns than KAT and Wiggins, though. Butler talks a big game about how he wants to be with serious players, but I wonder what he'd think about having to cede the "leader" crown to both CP3 and Harden. There's no way Butler would be the leader on a Rockets team, either on-court or in the locker room.

 

76ers are overrated. They r going nowhere.

 

Philly's system does not suit his game. This passage from Tim Bontemps was illuminating.

In last week's victory in Oklahoma City, the Sixers let Butler go to work in one of the most basic of basketball plays: the middle pick-and-roll. No team has utilized fewer picks this season than the Sixers, according to Second Spectrum tracking data. Philadelphia was also last in that stat in each of the past two seasons, as Brown has largely shunned the league-wide trend to gravitate toward spread pick-and-roll sets. Yet Butler and Harris have proven adept at running the play in previous stops, so Brown is working it in.
( http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26125183/the-sixers-plan-make-work-star-power-simple-play )

Butler in Houston would be able to 1) run the PNR to suit his game and 2) be able to be a spot up 3pt shooter which his percentage is decent at. Not to mention the defense and how it would be even MORE augmented in a switching scheme.

SYSTEM and FIT make a difference.

 

I think Feigen's quote from Butler tells you what you need to know about Butler ceding leadership to Harden/CP

Butler respects their game as proven veterans.

 

I think Harden and CP3 carry enough weight for Jimmy to concede the leader role. I mean he can lead too if needed by setting the tone defensively every night. I think he would happy to play along side of 2 all time greats who he respects and has a good relationship with.

MDA is as player friendly as you can get. He may be able to find happiness here.

 

Not sure I'd want to pay him the max, to be honest. But yeah, would be great to get him.

 

Hell NO to this!

Capela is integral part of what makes Rockets efficient offensively AND defensively.

And EGo is so underrated. Give up one, maybe. But not both.

 

Morey needs to sign another star like butler this offseason. Chris Paul has not played well this season. Four points last night, five points against Toronto, he's just not getting it done. Is it too much to ask for 20 points every now and again, and maybe help take some of the scoring off harden?

Last night, Doris Burke mentioned that how important it is that morey is maximizing harden's prime. Right now, hes not doing that when you signed an aging vet to the one of the worst contracts in the league.