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Ocasio-Cortez tweets and other news

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Aug 26, 2018.

  1. Os Trigonum

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    the problem is that she's taken EVERY single last eco-left bad idea of the last 40 years and put them into one big package where they can all be shot down at once. There's no there, there. It's just vapid generalizations about "saving the planet" and "helping the people" . . . there's zero percent chance that there's anything whatsoever that's going to come out of a so-called GND that's going to pass. It's polarizing right from the get-go and the sad part is that it is INTENTIONALLY polarizing. Why do you think Nancy Pelosi can sneeringly dismiss the GND as the Green Whatever?

    the whole thing is a joke. And that's sad. Adults who ought to know better do themselves a disservice by signing on to it. And that's why none of this year's version of the Seven Dwarfs among the Democratic candidates for President are going to get anywhere. Because they simply chant "yeah yeah yeah I'm for that."

    Which is why Klobuchar has a chance of outlasting them all.
     
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    you could be right about that
     
  3. Os Trigonum

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    except she may really be a moron. and there's a lot of smart people in NYC for the DNC to choose from
     
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  4. Amiga

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    And yet that's all we have to talk about.

    I said this probably 6 months ago in some AOC thread. What AOC is good for, I hope, is to balance out the other extreme. There is a middle ground that work here, if only politicians are serious about solving problems and aren't chickens.
     
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    I notice lately that smart doesn't have much to do with ability to win. Doesn't matter how smart you are, if the people doesn't agree with your ideas / style... or how much of a moron you are, if people agree with your ideas / style...
     
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    Do you mean other extreme in the republican party? I can see that. Or do you mean within the democratic party (where I don't see another extreme)?
     
  7. Amiga

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    republican
     
  8. Os Trigonum

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    the flipside of that is that she becomes the butt of absolutely EVERY joke . . . in contexts that have absolutely nothing to do with her, her ideas, or her service in the House.

    here's an example of what I'm talking about. This mockery cannot be a good thing, regardless of which side you sit on (the two tweets get separated in the conversation, so I include the original tweet):


     
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    Got it. Thanks. I figured. Fair point.
     
  10. Os Trigonum

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    apparently AOC doesn't take the weekends off

     
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    Unlikely.
     
  12. Amiga

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    If you go out on a limp, you subject yourself to mockery. That's common. While I think she's safe in her district, she is being made a joke of at a national level.

    Is it a bad or good thing? For who? For Dem? Probably bad as they risk having AOC as their message and that could push away real independent and traditional republican. But there is an energy factor that is a gain for Dem, and given low voter turnout, energy can be game changer, so maybe not so much. For the country overall, I suspect good. It raises conversation, awareness and urgency.

    Not to bring Trump into this, but I will for an example. How much mockery has been shot at him? Look at the immigration / the wall problem. How long has it been that no freaking sides do anything serious about solving the problems or making serious progress? All past attempt got nowhere. And yet, his insistence of the wall cause conversations on the issues. Lot of people are now more aware of the issues. There are good middle ground solution here and if both sides actually care about solving the problems, it absolutely can be done. What really come of up - don't know, TBD. Perhaps the next President can actually get something done with bipartisan support. And in similar way, it’s probably bad for the GOP, as it alienate independent and some traditional republican, but overall, over time, it might be good for the country if bipartisan actions come out of it.
     
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    When you start on the fringes and move back to the center a little the appearance that you moved back to the middle is …. irrelevant because you are still way the hell out in left or right field.

    We don't need to be balancing extremes , all that does is leave us with the worst of both.
     
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    Extremists are still extreme, unless they do move toward the center. I’m not talking about them. I’m talking about the whole group of politician and their collective actions. If you have one extreme, like I think we do have today with those in the White House, and the freedom caucus, the extreme on the other side will, I hope, help balance things out
     
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    if she had any real power, every aspect of your life would be subject to her whims
     
  16. Os Trigonum

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    here's an example of how AOC and other new Reps are hurting their fellow Democrats. If a small number of radical and politically naive Reps can impact and possibly hurt a larger number of more moderate and experienced Reps, do you really think the DNC is not going to do the math and see that smaller number of harmful Reps as expendable?

    In Conservative Districts, Democrats Have to Answer for Party’s Left Wing
    By Catie Edmondson and Emily Cochrane
    Feb. 24, 2019

    NEPHI, Utah — In the suburbs of Salt Lake City, Representative Ben McAdams, a freshman, was grilled by constituents about the “socialism” and “anti-Semitism” that they saw coming out of the new Democratic House.

    “How long do you intend to ride that train with those people?” one Utahan asked.

    In Michigan, Representative Haley Stevens was asked about her ability to counter what one voter deemed the bigotry of some of her freshman colleagues — a concern fueled partly by remarks from her counterpart in nearby Detroit, Rashida Tlaib — and “the negative attitude they bring to Democrats.”

    And on a rainy Saturday in Spotsylvania County, Va., one woman stood up in a town hall to remind Representative Abigail Spanberger that while she was the first Democrat to hold that seat in nearly 50 years, the majority of the rural enclave had voted Republican.

    “Since the Democrats are now the party of death and taxes,” the woman said, as Democratic supporters scoffed and grumbled, “just how do you propose to effectively represent the taxpayers of Spotsylvania?”

    Congress’s freshman class, roughly a third prevailed in districts where President Trump won in 2016.

    That serves as another indication that Democrats will have to confront the intraparty tussle between liberals and moderates to decide what they stand for, whom they appeal to and where their electoral future lies.

    Last week, home for the first district workweek of their term, moderate Democrats got to see firsthand how the raised voices of a small but vocal number of lawmakers such as Representatives Tlaib, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York are reverberating in far more marginal districts. Some, like Representative Andy Kim of New Jersey, were asked to account for the “uptick of negative rhetoric” coming from the freshman class.

    “My job is to focus in on you. I don’t know how other members of Congress are making their decisions about what to say,” Mr. Kim told constituents in the coastal township of Berkeley, “but I’ll certainly stand up and disagree whenever there is something out there I disagree with.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/24/us/politics/house-democrats-moderates-liberals.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
     
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  17. Nook

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    Right, or she would be dominating your thoughts at 4:45 pm on a Sunday.
     
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    LOL. Just under 1,200 posts (in just this one thread) about junior congresswoman they don't believe is "the boss". I'd guess she lives rent free in many of your minds. But hey... maybe coming up with extreme, not well thought ideas is the right approach.... seems it worked for...
     
  19. Os Trigonum

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    "The more serious risk to backing away from the Midwest, Democrats here and elsewhere say, is that the party could endanger its newly won House majority and all but concede a long-term Republican majority in the Senate by not plowing top-of-the-ticket resources across the Great Lakes region.

    “'If you can’t make the case to — and you don’t show up for — rural voters, you’re never going to have the Senate, so you’re never going to be able to govern,' said the former agriculture secretary and Iowa governor Tom Vilsack.

    ". . . Mr. Brown was just as quick to point out that no Republican has ever won the presidency without carrying Ohio, and he offered what amounts to a chilling reminder to Democrats when asked about the wisdom of downplaying the Midwest.

    “'I don’t want to wake up the day after the election in 2020 and win the popular vote by 4.5 million and lose the Electoral College,' he said."
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/25/us/politics/democrats-2020-midwest-voters.html
     
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  20. King1

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    You're being willingly ignorant. She's covered a lot in the media and is a complete moron. Now the narrative has shifted to "she's a junior congresswoman" to hide her stupidity. It's sad
     

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