Trump to declare national emergency to build border wall

The 30 million number is from Trump and isn't accurate. The most recent number is between 10-11 million, with the number of illegal immigrants in the United States having actually dropped over the last decade. Most of the illegal aliens in the United States have been in the country for over a decade.

Further, of the likely 10-11 million, the vast majority of those recent illegal immigrants are people that didn't cross the border on foot but overstayed their visas.

So if Trump really cared about stopping illegal immigration, he would target those that have over stayed their visa status. Further, since the vast majority of illegal aliens have been in the United States for over a decade, he would find a path towards citizenship.

He hasn't done either, why do you think that is?

Causation and correlation are not the same.

A lot of economists also disagree with your contention that illegal immigration has been bad for the economy.

Illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they cost in benefits.

Most economists view immigration as a new positive for the economy.

Also, again, most illegal immigrants have been in the USA for a decade or more.

I'll let Constitutional scholars debate this point.

The whole "mess" could have been avoided if Trump would have gotten his funding when he had a majority in the house. This whole mess could have been avoided had Trump not thrown down the gauntlet "border wall or else".

Further, the very definition you cited doesn't really fit because it could be addressed via law.... in fact he himself said as much during his rambling speech.

Your characterization that it has "gotten worse" is false. The reason that a lot of people are against a wall is that it isn't necessary at this point. The situation isn't static. The wall doesn't even address the lion share of illegals that are coming into the USA the last 5-10 years. It isn't 1985 anymore. Circumstances and conditions change.

 

It's weird to me that you've been on CF for over 10 years but only since Election Day last November have you posted in the D&D...and it's been incessant. It's not 100% of your posts...but it's a large majority. Before you go off on me "obsessing" about you, it's really easy to look up. I was curious because you don't have a history of posting in here before then.

I mention this because you accuse anyone who disagrees with you as being a troll...yet you're the one that showed up out of the blue in the D&D (on Election Day no less) and has apparently made it your life mission to "own the libs". Maybe it's just me...but that seems like the very definition of a troll.

 

"Dearest No Worries,

I regret to inform you that the surface land of Katy has fallen to the hordes of illegal Mexicans that have overran the border.

At last count, Mason Road have been transformed into a large barrios with taco trucks and used car lots.

You must not surface at all costs until you receive notice that it is safe to do so.

Our dear Leader Trump has sent air craft carriers to pick up Poles and Slavs to come and fight the Mexicans.

Stay forever vigilant,

Me"

 

Yeah and this is just a continuation of the problem that started under Bush post 9/11 and has only continued under Obama and Trump. At some point the growth of executive power needs to stop. We do not need a dictator. All early indications are that the Democrats don't plan to put the genie back in the lamp but actually use the actions of Trump as an excuse to do the same.

 

This is worse than I thought. Our greatest fears are now realized.

Day 3 in my bunker.

Now that Katy has fell, I fear that our Days of Wine and Roses are over. Morning in America, no more.

 

Great points by you, Deckard and Jo Mama in the previous posts

if not for immigrants, the less desirable jobs would have to go to Americans. And they've proven to be lazy, as all across the country farmers & custodial employers have increased wages for these jobs and can't find people that want them. .

It's the same in Texas with the hard labor. The small farms across the U.S can't afford to buy a megatron or any other robot, so they depend on people. It feels like I've been posting a new link describing this situation from a different region of the country for the past 3 years. GOP knows they need their cheap labor or they'd be force to do something they hate, paying more $. Yet they're willing to shoot themselves in the groin.

As for the trumpists, It's easier for these people to lie to themselves and pretend that this new current congress has been around for two years making Trump's life miserable, rather than accepting the fact: that this 7 time bankruptee president sucks at taking hostages. He took DACA kids hostage, couldn't get his wall. He took kids away from their parents + had that 'beauty' sessions read the bible on a presser and still couldn't get his wall. He forced the longest shut down and couldn't get the wall.

Had donald not vilify immigrants as carriers of 'infectious' diseases, rapists and the cause of the problem for the struggle of the American people like he was the fuhrer, I believe Trump would have over 60 billion for his wall by now. He had 20billion that he turned down. But being a decent human takes away from the adrenaline of the crowds feasting on the vitriol.

I don't mind posters like Trader Jorge and Basso. They're funny and have been trolling before Twitter even knew what twitter was. But then there are those that believe donald is god's gift and can't do anything wrong when donald's whole life says otherwise. That's a cult.

 

I wasn't aware of the ad hominem aspects of Turley's essay . . . silly me, I was just looking at the argument itself.

 

IMO, Donald Trump brings the best out of racists and bigots. Only after the elections that's incidents like these starting happening frequently across the country

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=racist+rant

 

Why you obsessing over me bro?

 

I'm a centrist who like's walls./

 

Pretty much the response I expected.

 

couldn't help myself friend...

 

Smart political move by Trump. Regardless of the eventual outcome, it will look like a power move to his base. It can always be spun as the fault of the democrats if it doesn't actually go as planned from him. Masterful manipulation.

 

If Trump wins:

"I got you the wall (sort of)."...... the fact that the Mexicans did not pay for it and it is only a small part of the wall and money needed will not matter.

If Trump loses in court:

"This is why I need your support, to get rid of these liberal judges that are colluding against us."

If nothing happens soon and it is in court around election season:

"I need your support, I am still fighting to get you the wall."

 

Exactly, he literally can't lose with his base.

 

Ann Coulter is having none of it.

 

She is a harpy who just wants to get attention to promote her backwards books and even more backwards views.

 

No, but he almost did because of himself.


He didn't have a choice.

A fake national emergency wasn't his first choice. He tried the gov shutdown first. That backfired. He wasn't willing to do that again and gave up on that.

What could he tell his wall worshiping supporters in the case he didn't declare an emergency and signed the bill that didn't give him what he wanted, but he had to sign to avoid another shutdown? Probably nothing.

He didn't have an option. Since he wasn't willing to lose support of these supporters, he had to do this, whatever the consequences. This was all about politic and he cornered himself and had only one choice left.

It was a stupid move, giving up his options and forcing his own hand. He might still be able to pull through, but we don't know yet what are all the consequences. To me, it's a freaking huge political gamble. There is a risk of alienating his supporters that aren't wall worshiper. In recent polling, some 37% of Republican didn't favor a wall. I would bet more wouldn't favor it over an fake national emergency declaration. Now that it has happen, the questions will be pouring in. Where is the money now coming from? Who is going to lose their land? Who is going to lose that re-allocated money? All these type of questions will need to be answered, and possibly over a long period of time through the public and the courts --- it's a political risk that he was forced to take because he cornered himself early on. Very little upside, with huge downside potential .

He could have worked this issue all the way into the 2020 election and make the same statement - elect me if you want a wall, without the additional downside risk.

p.s. if this issue hasn't fully settled when the next big natural disaster hit, and chances are good it will within the next 20 months, this is going to come back an bite hard.

 

We shall see

 

trump's lies are uncovered even on fox news...

https://www.newsweek.com/fox-new-ho...tm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=NewsweekTwitter