Trump to declare national emergency to build border wall

Pretty sure I do. I've seen them first hand, on one of the bridges over the Rio Grande. (I wonder how many here besides our El Paso friend can say that.)

 

A wall will have at least some slowing or (gasp) r****ding effect on illegal immigration.

Haha, my comment was censored. The language police are in full effect.

 

You've seen them!? Are their bites infectious?

 

Physical barriers stop people in their tracks - it takes time for them to traverse that barrier - Time that allows BP agents to make their way to that location and apprehend them rather than just walking right on by and now the BP agent is looking for a proverbial needle in a haystack.


I'm not pro wall in the sense of Trump's grand idea of a sea to shining sea wall , what I am in favor of is "walls" in strategic locations - high traffic , easily accessed area's …. no need for a wall 50 miles from nowhere but there is a need in these area's of high traffic , near roads and population centers.

The 220 miles BP requested are in these types of high traffic / easily accessed places …. the bi-partisan bill gave them 50ish of the 220.



As for the asylum seekers - only a very small percentage of these recent migrants qualify for asylum , something like 1/90.
They are fleeing economic issues , not political or religious persecution. Our asylum laws don't cover economic hardships.
These people are exploiting that asylum law to gain entry into the country as once they get in they are nearly impossible to remove.

I'm all for granting asylum to those that qualify … but I'm just as against those who exploit the law.

 

In the right circumstances, I could become a murderer. Sure. But if you say eff it, dodge CBP and try to stay in the US illegally, you're not an asylum seeker anymore. So don't confuse the issue by conflating asylum seekers with border jumpers.

Now, what are these conditions that might move a person from wanting to be an asylum seeker to trying to be a border jumper? One condition might be that border patrol is turning you away at the door and won't even let you register your request. Might be a Mexican borderland shanty town living for months under a blue tarp with no sanitation and living on handouts because you can't go do any work without losing your place in line. Might be American refusal to expand its court capacity for processing asylum claims.

 

It's just political postering. Trump knows this will be tied up in court for years. He can go to his base in 2020 and say look I did everything I could to get the wall. I tried negotiating, I tried shutting down the government, I even tried a national emergency. Blame the democrats blah blah blah.

I do not like how all of our recent presidents decide to crumple up the Constitution when it is convenient.

 

In these cases in 2016, hysterical liberals include conservatives and Republican.

The POTUS has been running live, chaotic experiments. While people have very valid reasons to think the experimenter isn't very good at achieving his intended goals (his advisers, his cabinet, the Court, the Congress, the People will stop the USA from going over the edge), some think it's entertaining, other think it's great for them politically (in 2020), I think what people continue to fail to realize is all these experiments may be chaotic, may not achieve it's direct goals, but they are all moving forward in one direction. The constant weakening of institutions, one step at a time, will one day end up with such a lopsided power and dysfunction that essentially, there is no longer any effective check and balance of the power of the executive. At that point, it's already too late. Again, there isn't any master mind plan here, but do realize the effect can be the same. That's the threat that we know can happen, and hope doesn't. But let's not be foolish to think it won't happen.

 

I understand what physical barriers prevent and what they are but nothing in your previous post would be stopped by them.

What does a wall have to do with asylum seekers?

 

Yup. It seems that many commenters here do not understand this, or don't want to understand it.

 

Of course, all this begs the question of why anyone would think they have the -right- to come into/live in America, which seems to be the foundation of your post.

 

A wall will slow down asylum seekers?

Evidently you have no clue how seeking asylum works.

 

See Corrosion's post. He explains it better than I do.

You seem to think there is a bright line of separation between people who would a) seek asylum b) illegally enter the US c) or are in fact economic migrants.

There is no bright line. In fact, it's all quite muddy.

 

A wall would prevent asylum seekers from presenting themselves to CBP officers and instead funnel them to ports of entry where they must wait months in dirty shanty towns before they even get a chance to ask for a hearing on an asylum claim. So, it's not totally irrelevant; it's just not the effect that Trumpers want to insinuate.

People don't have a right to come in just because they claim to be refugees. But, they do have a right to have their claim heard, even if its total bullshit. That's what our law says. All the hand-wringing about the "threat" of asylum seekers is an effort to block these asylum seekers from exerting the rights they have under the law. Are they exploiting a loophole in the law? Yeah, probably. But this is not the right way to fix a loophole.

 

Yeehaw!

 

JV didn't tell you that, because it isn't what he said. What you describe is a very different situation.

I'm astonished at the cavalier way some here, like @Os Trigonum, are reacting to this insanity by trump. It isn't the least bit amusing that the fellow in the White House is declaring a national state of emergency in an attempt to create a political stunt that will please his most ardent supporters. It is a clear abuse of power and a direct attack on the coequal branch of our government, Congress. There should be bipartisan condemnation of this, but where are the Republicans?

 

It's not a good look for you, which you will eventually figure out, in my humble opinion.

 

ok, I'll nibble. where's the post that illustrates my putative "cavalier" attitude toward Trump's calling a national emergency?

 

I suspect the latter because admitting that would in someway endorse Trump.