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AOC gets what she wants: [NYT] Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Headquarters

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    watch the clip and listen to Andrew Ross Sorkin
     
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    The Right is DESPERATE to find SOMEONE to energize their base. Their OBSESSION with a FRESHMAN Congressman with very little power is laughable.
     
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    lol. even CNN is harshing AOC's mellow

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/14/opinions/amazon-cancels-nyc-hq-avlon/index.html

    Amazon decision leaves New York looking like a loser
    By John Avlon
    Updated 3:18 PM ET, Thu February 14, 2019
    opinion articles on CNN.

    (CNN)This is why we can't have nice things.

    Local liberal activists -- championed by Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez -- loudly protested Amazon's decision to move half its eastern hub to Long Island City ever since it was announced.

    Amazon just called their bluff and is now pulling the plug on the $2.5 billion deal that would have permanently brought 25,000 high paying jobs to the heart of Queens. This isn't a win for liberal Democrats -- it's a face plant, an epic fail.

    The activists were outraged that the incentives given to the world's wealthiest company were too generous. But they just screwed their community by depriving it of a transformational investment. It's a painful reminder that nobody wins when the not-in-my-backyard activist crowd stands in the way of the real progress that comes from investment.

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    After all, Amazon choosing a community could shift its fortunes overnight with the promise of sustained investment. It would have been a game changer for Baltimore, Newark or Philadelphia. But Long Island City won on the strength of New York City's resurgence and a generous $3 billion incentive package that included massive tax incentives -- which means a reduction in New York's sky-high business taxes. For what it's worth, that was less of a tax incentive package than other cities, such as Newark, were offering.

    But the activist class doesn't understand that the real prize isn't tax revenue. It's local economic growth and the kind of vibrancy that occurs when local small businesses -- restaurants and shops -- start springing up in the community.

    Yes, there are winners and losers when investment comes and local rents rise. But it is foolish to fetishize rusted-out communities that have little economic activity or to presume that government investment can create a vibrant local community as much as private enterprise can.

    Perhaps the protesting local pols were merely hoping that their anger would translate to a better deal on the margins -- more money set aside for infrastructure, for example. But people tend to negotiate in better faith when they're not being yelled at.

    So New York is left looking like a loser, out of touch and extreme. It just spurned an investment that other cities and communities were competing hard for. And Amazon announced that no other city would get second prize; they would focus their efforts on more business-friendly Virginia and Tennessee.

    In the process, the right wing gets a substantive talking point to bolster their negative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez obsession. This will only reinforce their fear-fueled hyperpartisan narrative that all Democrats are anti-business proto-socialists. But every political stereotype has a kernel of truth -- or it wouldn't stick.

    There's a lesson here for business beyond the fact that they don't need to be a perpetual punching bag. Income inequality in our country has become unsustainable and destabilizing. The three richest Americans control as much wealth as the bottom 160 million.

    That inequality creates a destructive dynamic that is going to logically lead to more redistributionist policies. Businesses are going to need to think bigger about the connection to communities. But that conversation will be around inclusive public-private partnerships, not protesters who pretend that they can win with unilateral demands.

    There should be scrutiny when big business tries to write special rules for its benefit. But local investment unleashes larger creative dynamics that improve the quality of life for the community. And that's what the activist class should be focused on.

     
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    Stupid, sexy AOC.
     
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    Why would you expect otherwise?
     
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    Oh, the right has done much better than that: they've convinced AOC, and a lot of normal people besides, including some democrats, (and even one notable local BBS moderate democrat), that she is -- against all common sense -- somehow newsworthy or important. It's pretty amazing.

    It's like some playground game. "Ummm... our team picks... HER to be your quarterback! Hahahaha! Losers. Her arm is in a cast. Hahaha!"
    But then the other kids try to rally around the kid with the hurt arm, like idiots, instead of saying, "Um, no. She has a broken arm and is not, at this time, our quarterback."
     
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    tell that to Andrew Cuomo and Bill de Blasio today . . .
     
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    Pete King's not too happy


     
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    The media has turned AOC into a celebrity. Both right wing and left wing news outlets cover her extensively. To assert her celebrity is only due to the right is wrong.
     
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    25,000 jobs "vanished in a blink":

    Amazon’s sudden decision to cancel its plan to build a corporate campus in Long Island City, Queens, amounted to a stunning rejection for the two often-at-odds politicians who had heralded its arrival, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio, and the biggest win yet for emboldened left-wing progressives in New York.

    The turn of events on Thursday represented a reordering of New York’s political power structure, as one of the world’s biggest companies was driven from the city by a group of rabble-rousing activists and elected officials who objected to a suite of corporate sweeteners and tax breaks.

    But as this reality settled into New York, the architects of the uprising faced a backlash of their own, as 25,000 jobs — potentially remaking Long Island City as a high-tech hub — had vanished in a blink, and with them the chance to inject billions of dollars in tax revenues in the coming years.

    The victory of the resurgent left also placed a new target on its back, especially with polls showing that the deal offering Amazon tax incentives remained largely popular with New Yorkers.

    Some Democrats, including Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, whose district bordered the Amazon site, cheered the deal’s demise, with one leading opponent calling it a “shakedown;” others, such as a Queens councilman, called it “the greatest economic loss and missed opportunity ever” for New York City.

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    The Amazon fight has exposed deep fissures within the Democratic Party between business-friendly centrism and unalloyed populism, in New York and beyond, as the party’s economic policies and positions are reconsidered, signaling the tricky path going forward into 2020.​

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/nyregion/cuomo-aoc-amazon.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
     
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    If NYC isn't where they want to be, they shouldn't be there. Right now Amazon's official stance is that they aren't even going to look for another location. Isn't that weird?
     
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    it is, kinda. Unless the whole thing was really designed to give them a foothold in each of the two most important markets in the country--NYC for financial reasons and northern Virginia/D.C. for political reasons. So it was probably NYC or Bust all along.
     
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    WIth the current climate of hating large companies like Amazon, it's not surprising they would take a breath and re-evaluate.
     
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    They don't have large companies. Plenty of places would gladly take them including NYC minus the tax breaks. Companies make decisions based on profit. If they have their heart set on NYC, it makes sense to give that time.
     
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    one difference between NYC and "plenty of places" is that young, educated, tech-savvy professionals want to work in NYC. That's not necessarily the case elsewhere. It's why Google and countless other companies thrive in downtown Manhattan. Amazon is surely factoring that in as well.
     

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