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[OFFICIAL] Green New Deal Thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Jan 31, 2019.

  1. jcf

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    Of what?
     
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    You had me until "comic book knobs". That was just cruel.
     
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    oh. MY. GOD. :eek::eek: Spartacus, say it isn't so

     
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    It doesn't matter if conservatives feel she is the epitome of everything they fear. They will resist anything dems do - even moderate dems. Look what they did to neoliberals like Obama and Clinton (both). AOC is playing from the right-wing playbook. It doesn't matter if you disenfranchise the right completely, they will always oppose you 100%. Republicans have been united against even moderate proposals, and the far left is realizing they can snatch power and move the party to the left the same way we saw with Republicans starting in the mid-90's
     
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    I figure this is pretty obvious but....

    She wants to build her brand and gain power. If you look at all her actions from that lens, it makes complete sense. She's learned a lot from Trump.
     
  7. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    It's funny that aggressively addressing climate change is dangerous for the world but the do nothing Republican plan is just fine. Nice going GOP. They should ask their constituents if they'd rather pay more in taxes and use more public transportation or constantly deal with floods, fires, droughts, and towns under water.

    In 20 years, we'll look back at how stupid this debate was just like the trickle down debate and the war on drugs debate and the health care debate, the mass incarceration debate, etc.

    I also get a kick out of nuclear allegedly not having emissions but of course ignoring the waste.
     
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    Which is why the Connies are gleefully licking their chops. She's not gonna play well with corn fed flyovers.

    Neither are any of the other Dem "frontrunners", so there's that...

    She'll be something if she can blend her authentic passion with something relatable to that crowd, but I'm not getting that sensible vibe from her yet.

    At this point in her career, I don't think she needs to.
     
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    which part of the country do you think outlawing beef will do well in? or giving money to those unwilling to work for that matter? how about just everyone handing over about 50 trillion dollars? This **** doesnt play well anywhere. Here is what Pelosi is doing with the bill while republicans desperately try to get Dems to vote on it:

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    a shame politicians push their agenda by using green issues as a trojan horse for socialism.
     
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    Especially when we have major issues like substance abuse, prison population, violence, poor education, 12%+ population in poverty, expensive poor healthcare, complicated tax system, homelessness, dilapidated infrastructure, etc... All of those have been ignored since forever and now the left trying to shift a major focus to climate change. Fack that and get in line. Attempt to fix the problems that have been here for decades and yet to be fixed and wait your turn to go on forever never being fixed.
     
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    Probably because none of those problems will matter without a planet.
     
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    Your solution is what? Funny pictures? Cartoons?
     
  14. tallanvor

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    I dont agree that it's a problem, but if I did then the solution would need to be to bomb India and China coal factories. Every other solution is just wasting people's time and money. If you want to make a dent in American carbon output then switch to nuclear.

    Nothing I say makes AOCs solutions remotely sane.

    I would also love to see a comparison of the carbon footprint of your average journalist vs the common man.
     
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    Cow farts. Lots and lots of cow farts.
     
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    o_O lol, no surprise one of our resident SJW's is all for this.

    Yea socialism is the ticket to save the planet. It has done wonders in Venezuela.
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    Post of the year!!!
     
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    so is this just hyperbole or do you really believe that we will be "without a planet" at some time in the foreseeable future? serious question.
     
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    The promise of green jobs is likely not to pay off:

    Ocasio-Cortez’s green energy plan ignores Obama’s failures
    By Sunil Sharan

    February 9, 2019

    A charismatic Barack Obama peddled the idea of 5 million new green jobs as he ran for the presidency in 2008. Actually, the number was Hillary Clinton’s idea, but when she lost, Obama appropriated it. I wrote an article in 2010 in the Washington Post busting Obama’s myth, and the green industry rewarded me by keeping me unemployed ever since.

    Obama invested billions in the clean energy sector. Flameout after flameout like the solar company, Solyndra, resulted. There was hardly any accrual in new green jobs.

    That was the myth of the clean-energy industry — that the technology and business models were ready for 5 millions jobs. They weren’t. I was engineer in one corner of clean energy — smart utility meters.

    While politicians sold their myth, the shale oil and gas industry created half a million jobs during the first half of the Obama presidency, all without federal funding or incentives. The economy was still rocky in 2012, and these shale jobs directly contributed in Obama winning his second term.

    Again, we have a magnetic upstart, New York Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. All of D.C. (save for Nancy Pelosi) seems in awe of her. Ocasio-Cortez has just unveiled a new green pipe dream. She doesn’t talk much about green jobs, tainted as the term has become. Instead she outlines her plans to make the US a net-zero emitter in 10 years.

    She believes that renewable energy is the answer to her prayers. Solar and wind are the two pillars of renewable energy. But they are intermittent providers of power, and so need to be stored. No energy storage solution is on the horizon. Until one emerges, solar and wind will never prove viable.

    Reaching net-zero status means that the US will also have to remove or store emissions. Once again, technology to remove and store emissions, otherwise known as carbon capture and storage, is not ready to do what Ocasio-Cortez wants from it over the next decade.

    Electric vehicles have become all the rage. But these just transfer emissions from the tailpipe to the smokestack, in the sense that a power plant burning fossil fuels is still needed to generate the electricity needed to power these cars.

    Elected officials such as Obama and Ocasio-Cortez have no significant experience working in industry, green or otherwise. They come to D.C. aiming to make a splash to further their political ambitions. Obama used green jobs, in part, to win the presidency. Ocasio-Cortez seems to have her eyes set upon similar goals.

    This is not to say that cutting emissions is not a noble goal. But how far, how fast we go must depend upon grounded realities, and not on some charismatic politician’s attempts to capture the limelight.

    Sunil Sharan is a former senior fellow at the Center for American Progress.

    https://nypost.com/2019/02/09/ocasio-cortezs-green-energy-plan-ignores-obamas-failures/
     
  20. Amiga

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    What does it mean to you?

    Runaway climate has not been ruled out. There will be a planet if that happen, just extremely difficult for human to live on.

    I repeat myself here - since you seem to subscribe to uncertainty about climate change, if you then choose to be certain that this isn’t a possibility, you are showing a clear bias.
     

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