I really don’t care about his stats in the G-League. What I do care about is if he can be productive with the Rockets and he’s that shown he can be.
Look if he comes at a decent price I’m ok with him as an add. He was a good role player on this team and his teammates seem to want him here. I’m not down on House. However I’m not painting him as the savior to the season that some of us have either. I think his agent took a gamble assuming his role was greater than the team’s need. It’s a game of poker you could argue at this point backfired for House. With the addition of Shumpert and depending on the other buyout candidates we pick up, fact is he may have simply lost his role on this team. Obviously remains to be seen at this point.
A guy who exceeds expectations all the time must leave every 2 years. If you apply every two years, when they ask you that question say you are improving faster than the organization and keep finding opportunities that were not available to you. No one will have a problem with this if you are worth what you are asking for. On House, again I strongly disagree. There are 30 teams which require at least 90 wings next season, and House is going to be better than at least 15 of those. Why would he take the worst contract that anyone in that pool has ever been offered? It doesn't make sense. I think your comment about Green is very telling. I think we fundamentally disagree on the definition of production, or your muffling the definition of "very similar". I don't even consider House to be more than a good bench player, Green is not an NBA player. He is poor on defense and on average idiotic on offense, no matter how much I love the guy. If you are going to make the claim they are similar, bring some facts other than ppg to the conversation please.
There's no winner if House doesn't play. You get it? We don't win anything if House's career is done. As a fan, you should look at it this way: We can have House as the backup 3 right now for the MINIMUM and then match ANY offer in the summer. Instead we are going to overplay people or go small. This has not worked out well for us. We can use House, and this stand off is a bigger risk for House than the Rockets, but what the F do I care about that? I care that there's a useful player we can have on a minimum then rfa and can slide right into the system. How about you just cheer for the suits and I'll cheer for the jerseys and we agree to disagree.
We can’t match “ANY” offer in the summer. Anything above the minimum would require the use of our mle to keep him. That’s all we would have.
Ok ima ask you a couple of things....one how much did n can the rockets offer him. This guy is atleast a 3 mil a year guy. I'm just thinking how I would. I wouldnt even care if I didnt play this year. Cause one year of sacrifice will be worth it. Someone will offer him that I promise u. The rockets would they just dont have the money that's the only reason. Its win win for him. I still dont see where people see the great risk. He was a key guy starting on a playoff team. U cant take that away. N if his contract wasnt like it was he still would be starting.
I get it guys we want everyone to play for as cheap as possible. But I know this is a business. N I always want a guy to get what he can. Just like.at my job. Stop trying to count someone money. I'm the biggest rockets fan their is but I have no ill way against him. Same with sa rizal. Always take the money bro. That's generational wealth
It's not even about money. It's about who is on the Rockets. I like the Rockets. Players not on the Rockets are not interesting to me.
Ok we can match any offer up to the $9.1m MLE (which would have been $5.3m as taxpayers). If House is going to get that on the market, the entire premise of this negotiation and this thread is idiotic. What else is the MLE for if not adding rotation players on value contracts?
Sorry, wrong again. We won’t have the 9 million mle next year because we will be likely tax payers. We are 10 million below the tax next year already with only existing guarantees. We’d easily be over the tax between using the mle and signing one player with bird rights. So we will have a 5 million mle to sign: House Faried Rivers Potential free agent Just remember that if we do spend the full tax payer mle to keep house you can’t complain when he’s a mediocre player and we can’t add anyone else
I didn't know that. Can we sign someone using the MLE in order to go over the tax? Or must we stay I don't think House - based on what I've seen so far - is worth the full MLE, that's a ridiculous thing to say. No one is going to offer House the full MLE unless he plays AND outplays Shumpert. If he does play well enough to earn that, I won't be unhappy to get him for that. See here's where I don't understand why you are acting like the team's accountant. If House plays like a $5m player and we get him for $5m while proving to be more valuable than Rivers and Faried, what's the problem? Are you hoping our guys underperform and don't attract attention just so we can afford them? But then they're lesser players!! lol This is like putting a burka/abaya on your wife because she's hot and attracts men.
Basically you have two lines: Tax threshold which will be 132 million Apron which will be 138 million To use the full mle you have to be below the apron, the mle can’t take you over and then you are hard capped at the apron for the year. We currently have 123 million or so in guaranteed contracts next year which doesn’t include roster holds or Iman Shumpert. I think that’s just on 6 or 7 players, so just minimums alone would get you close to 130 million. Therefore if they intend to keep shump (even at a paycut) and add any player over the minimum they are likely to be tax payers net year and exceed the apron. For example: -sign shump for 8 million a year -use the full tax payer mle of 5 million and change -give Gerald green a raise -Kenneth faried resigns for just the one year bird increase (unlikely) -house even signs for the 3 year minimum This alone would put us above the apron. Only way to stay under is to salary dump capela or Gordon. If he does that, I’ll riot with you! The reason I Hope house gets the minimum is because it gives us options elsewhere. If he requires the mle we have less flexibility for Other moves.
Thank you very much for the tax lesson brother. On point #1, what is the point of having options when in your scenario House is literally a lower value player? His price is tied to his play. If he gets the minimum, it means he didn't do very well and we need other options. If he does get offered slightly more money, then we need fewer other options. What are we losing here?
House price is 100% about his play, which is why we are forcing him not to play and limiting his resume. The point: if House plays out of his mind better than ever, he gets 4-5m offer and we have the option to keep a player worth that money. Which necessitates fewer other moves. If he doesn't play well or doesn't play, we keep him for cheap or not at all. The idea that we get a $4-5m player for 3 years minimum is a fantasy, and whatever wiggle room it brings us in the future is again pissing away what we can do right now. We will once again be making up for lost time in the future.
I mean, you are setting yourself up here. A rating that has Green 1st and House 2nd, what do you think of that stat?
Let’s not act like net rating isn’t useful. Widely used as a tool to evaluate teams and players. All it’s really saying is we are winning when those guys have been on the court. Teammates play into it, but it does rate Melo far and away the worst guy to get real minutes for us. Sounds pretty accurate to me.
