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Nik Stauskas and Wade Baldwin to the Rockets

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by HorryForThree, Feb 6, 2019.

  1. ApacheWarrior

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    I think the Rockets did what they had to do and that was slice payroll and reduce the roster to accept buy out candidates.

    Knicks are tanking and they claim they want to keep DJ, because they want a top 5 defense. ?Why? You are tanking. His contract expires and he wants to help another team now.

    DJ will be a buyout and go to the Rockets.

    Wes Matthews will be a buyout. Rockets are interested in him...I haven't heard he wants to go to Houston....but I haven't heard him say he doesn't want to go to Houston.

    My guess is the Rockets will go small lineup often of combinations of CP3, Harden, Rivers, GGreen, Shumpert, Wes Matthews playing 1 thru 3. I think that gets
    Knocked out in first round 4-0 or 4-1....but
    I would like to see the players on the court play. Who is injured and who is not. I expected Ennis, Knight, Chriss to be traded. Those still around Nene, EGo survived the house cleaning. Doesn't look good for House. Some play at the end of the season and some playoff games then free agency.

    I'm not home right now but I would like to digest it further. Shumpert is an improvement over Ennis....but I've seen Shumpert abused by Durant enough. I didn't get my wings (with size). Will there be one as a buy out?
     
  2. ApacheWarrior

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    Where are you getting your information?

    This isn't the NFL where QB"s (like Romo or Brady) renegotiate and get all their money in bonuses and $1 mil goes against the team cap hit. Ryno can't lower his salary like that... .every team would be manipulating the cap.
     
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  3. Corrosion

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    Spotrac - Hoopshype - Woj - NBC -

    https://www.spotrac.com/nba/miami-heat/ryan-anderson-6133/

    https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/08/ryan-anderson-agreed-to-reduce-201920-guarantee.html

    https://basketball.realgm.com/wiret...rees-To-Reduction-Of-19-20-Guarantee-To-$156M



    https://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/08/3...aranteed-money-to-make-trade-to-suns-reality/


    Need More ?!

    I understand the cap / CBA about as well as anyone on CF …. other than maybe Bima - Math is my subject.


    He didn't reduce his "salary" he reduced his "Guarantee"

    That didn't dispute anything else I posted in that post.
     
  4. ApacheWarrior

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    I will go with my resource. Here Ryan remains the same
    https://en.hispanosnba.com/salaries/miami-heat

    Look at the Rockets payroll. $124 mil starting next season (was around 139 before action today).
    Removal of Knight and [EGo, Nene, Ennis] ($14.1M, $3.8M and $1.8M respectfully) = $104.3M
    https://en.hispanosnba.com/salaries/houston-rockets

    I proposed EGo for expiring contracts of Korver/Royce O’Neale.

    I disagree that Ryan agrees to lower anything if with Rockets as of yesterday. Which means the Rockets would be
    hamstrung thru this summer as well. It would have costed more to move Ryan at this time with his contract fully
    guaranteed.

    We agree to disagree.
     
  5. Ottomaton

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    Warmly welcome back Maarty Luenen.

    Guess Malick Badiane was not available.
     
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  6. don grahamleone

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    You don't put someone that small on Durant if you can help it. I don't think that's why he's here. He's going to help against Curry more than Durant. He frees others to check KD.
     
  7. ApacheWarrior

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    Switching defense, how can you help it. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Rockets say they want to keep
    Capela near the rim, yet I continued to see Capela out on the perimeter defending most of the time (prior
    to injury).

    I was hoping for a Korver type. With Korver you don’t get an 0-27 from 3 performance. With Shumpert you might
    get the 0-27 from 3 repeat. CP3, Rivers,Tucker, Shumpert all fail to earn my confidence this season from 3.
    Maybe they can get hot at the right time....but quantity of 3’s is not their forte (except EGo).

    I expect House to return which will give us our one Small Forward with size.
    Wes Matthews is going to Pacers (not that Wes has size.....I felt it was either Wes or House). House it is after G-league season ends.

    Roster:
    CP3/Rivers/Eric Gordon
    Harden/GGreen
    House/Shumpert
    Tucker/ Player X (another buy-out)
    Capela/DJ/Faried/Nene

    Inactive- Hartenstein/ Gary Clark (Will the Rockets be ok turning his contract into guaranteed money?..then turn him loose)

    Red- Buy out addition




    If House returns then the situation is not as dire as I thought initially. Nice if the Rockets can find an additional PF buy-out
    so that Tucker can help out on the wing with House. Giving the Rockets better options with some size and grit.
    Shumpert is an improvement to our depth over an MCW, Ennis, Chriss and Brandon Knight.

    What is your take or opinion post trade deadline. I respect your opinion.

    Edited: if DJ present then Nene inactive with possibly Gary Clark playing/available.

     
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  8. Corrosion

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    I gave you multiple "credible" sauces …. and you ignore them in favor of a site that's clearly out of date.

    That "guarantee reduction" helps facilitate a buyout prior to the full amount becoming guaranteed. If he plays out the season - Yes , the number remains the same. That's unlikely.

    Your proposal of EG for Korver and O'Neal - How the hell does that make this team better ?!

    Had he stayed here , his guarantee reduction isn't a factor. He'd have gotten the full amount the first three years anyway and been bought out for a bit more next year than he will be bought out at with the guarantee reduction - Next year.

    Financially they are able to do more with Ryno's larger contract NEXT year than they are with an expiring Shumpert - Unless they resign him to a one year deal significantly above his current salary.

    Maybe you should ask @BimaThug and let him set it straight. since you wont take my multiple sauces or explanation.
     
  9. ApacheWarrior

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    Ryan doesn’t have to except reduction in salary to be traded this close to the finish line. I don’t see any incentive
    for him doing such a thing and most GM’s would make the Rockets pay most of his salary (up until trade deadline of final year). Pat Riley wouldn’t touch Ryan until trade deadline of next year.

    You are trying hard to show the Rockets made a mistake of trading Ryan this past summer, but I’m convinced the Rockets needed to move Ryno then.....and I remain set in the thinking that moving Ryno’s contract into two smaller
    contracts was the right way to go. You can remain in denial.
     
  10. Corrosion

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    Anderson is irrelevant. This isn't about Anderson , its about the lack of financial vehicles to add salary / talent without having to move a key piece - IE GET BETTER.

    Andersons contract / Knights contract …. resign Shumpert and use his ?!
     
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  11. ApacheWarrior

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    You are playing Monday morning quarterback.

    Morey tried to make the team better with the little money allowed to get the team better.

    MCW was a chance/project on the cheap
    Melo was a chance project on the cheap
    Chriss has the physical tools but lacked the mental capacity or effort to improve his basketball I.Q.
    Ennis was a decent defender in man to man w/Grizz but was completely lost in our switching defense....on the cheap.
    Brandon Knight was a guard that scored 19 points a game(season) followed by 17 points a game (season) prior to injury..........................infection in the knee set him back substantially. Things don’t always work out.

    What exactly did the Rockets lose? What is troubling you so much?
    1) Ryan Anderson
    Melton (second rd pick)
    x
    Chriss
    Knight


    Then move......

    2) Knight
    Chriss
    1st rd pick
    x
    Shumpert

    Then move...

    3) Stauskas
    Baldwin
    2nd rd pick
    x
    (To Pacers)

    Then move.....

    4) Ennis
    x
    76ers (draft considerations)



    So the Rockets used a 2nd rd pick (Melton) on Anderson and then a 1st rd pick to move Knight/Chriss.
    I’m saying that Ryan probably wouldn’t allow salary reduction right now if with Rockets and it would
    probably cost 2 first rd picks to move him now or this summer. Ryno is unplayable. At least Knight offers
    a chance he can play next season.

    Much easier to trade Chriss and Knight separately-cheaper than moving Ryno right now. Big deal. Who cares?
    Why get so up tight about it. Rockets have moved on from Chriss, Knight, Ennis, MCW, Melo and have turned
    the page. From this point on its another day and another opportunity for the Rockets to get better and strive
    for success. House cleaning swipe the slate clean. You can sit around bitc**** about nothing or get off your
    backside and support the Rockets now. Your choice. Here is my answer......GO ROCKETS!!
     
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  12. Mr. Dominant

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    Lol
     
  13. Zoplicone

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    We are most definitely not getting Deandre Jordan. Promise
     
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  14. ApacheWarrior

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    Really? You don’t feel Knicks will release him by March 1?
     
  15. don grahamleone

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    Switching often leads to switching right back and with communication you can choose not to switch when it benefits you. This "switch everything" mentality is something we tried early in the season and it didn't work in its purity. So midseason we stopped switching everything and started leaving Clint in the middle so we could continue to rebound as a team. In other words, you didn't catch up to the adjustment that was made regarding Clint being on the perimeter. Same applies to Shumpert if he's being abused for some reason. It's all about communication out there and this squad has steadily improved upon that all year. "Switch everything" isn't actually switch everything anymore.. it's "switch most things" now.

    Shumpert is the last player on Earth that I worry about chasing shooters around picks, etc too. He doesn't have to switch within our defense for him to be effective.

    I absolutely love this team at full health. In the offseason, if I knew we'd have this:

    Capelllllla/Manimal/Ne
    Tucker/(likely House)
    Gordon/Gerald Greenlight
    Harden/Shumpert
    CP3/Austin Rivers

    I'd be ecstatic.. especially if I knew Manimal and Rivers had great attitudes.

    If we get someone on a buyout that wants to be here and contributes... that's a bonus.

    Regarding this year's potential playoff rotation versus last year's actual-competitive-playoff-rotation, I think we're better off in every way except one: CP3 isn't the same player he was. That being said, that could change. I also believe it will. CP is showing signs of being the player he was. He just needs a few games where he leads the team in points to show us he's back. To show us he IS that secondary alpha dog.

    If the playoff tensity keeps players out of the game, Greenlight, Rivers, House and Manimal are the likely candidates to cave under pressure. So, the difference between last year and this year is Shumpert for Ariza. Shumpert can guard the front of the attack like you wouldn't believe. Harden can guard PFs and post play, CP can be out on shooters or switching up duties with Shumpert. Tucker can play against KD. So, missing Ariza is something I can live with because of the PJ/Shumpert combo.

    I'm happy. I only wish for a buyout of DeAndre Jordan and signing him to some beneficial Houston contract. Only reason I feel the need to have that is for potentially playing against the 76ers in the Finals. But the Finals are a great great great great great problem to have.
     
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    He's right. The Heat have to decide this summer (by July 9 I think) whether to buy Ryno out for $15.6M or keep him and guarantee his full $21M for next season. It's not that he negotiated a lower salary, he just negotiated a final-season buyout amount in advance.
     
  17. ApacheWarrior

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    Yes that's what I now believe. My point is that if Ryan was still with the Rockets, the dynamics change. If I'm Ryno I may have agreed to decreased salary of final year this past summer; but I refuse to do that if I'm with Houston up until yesterday. I would be telling management to trade me....but as the deal is written. If it's
    elimination of incentives or bonuses is one thing, but willingly decrease my final years pay, no. I can't believe Ryno had that much bonus money or incentives that final year written in.
     
  18. ApacheWarrior

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    cont'd
    Logic being if I'm Ryno and I'm traded from the Rockets yesterday..it might be the last time I play in the NBA...I want the full amount agreed upon.
     
  19. Corrosion

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    All of this is irrelevant - Your argument was that they created financial freedom for next year (upcoming summer).

    That is false. That was what I am challenging - they actually have less financial freedom this upcoming summer because of these moves than they would have without them.

    Shumpert's a free agent at the end of this season …

    Knight would still be under contract and an expiring , much easier to move then than now and could be used for a player that IS on the roster Next season and beyond.


    I get why they did this - to avoid the tax this season because they will almost certainly pay it next year being only 2.55m below the cap with 7 players under contract and 5 cap holds for open roster spots.

    The main point is that they had more financial freedom to acquire talent in the offseason WITH a contract on the books - doesn't matter who's - Ryno , Knight , Jesus …. than they do without that contract.
     
  20. don grahamleone

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    That's b.s. You don't just automatically have other franchises send you their quality for your crap. You're assuming we just automatically can wheel and deal our way into a good 20 million dollar player who can contribute by offering Ryno. Don't work that way.
     
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