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Howard Schultz VentiVenti

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Jan 28, 2019.

  1. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    He's the embodiment of the American Dream. Use loopholes, government programs, and whatever other measures are necessary to get rich. Then when you're successful, shut them all down to eliminate your competition. It's beautiful.
     
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    Again, disagree. palin was hated, and brought a lot of that hate upon herself. If you are going to compare palin to anyone... it would be trump. Both seemed to believe the media was the enemy, and both seemed to believe they were clever to create a feud with the media. They would do or say things, get criticized, then complain the media was out to get them.

    Schultz isn't. And using a silly gotcha question about "the cost of cereal" to compare the the relations palin had with "elite media", "chattering class", "personality driven gossip", "gotcha" etc. despite the fact she routinely said and did outright stupid things, eg wanting Muslims to "refudiate" support for the NYC mosque, her crazy story about Paul Revere, being anle to see Russia, inability to name a newspaper she claimed she read daily, etc.
     
  3. dmoneybangbang

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    I agree but taking an AOC type position will lose against Trump if he is still in office.

    You can’t make any difference when you don’t win.
     
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    I'm sorry I'll drop the comparison because it isn't working for you all the way it works in my mind. I wasn't comparing them as if they were equal intellects, I was comparing how much anger they are generating and the way that will lead to them being treated.
     
  5. dmoneybangbang

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    If the goal is to best Trump/this new breed of Republican then a strong independent candidate is not a good way.

    Even as weak as Jill Stein was it was still enough to make a difference in 2016.
     
  6. Os Trigonum

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    what we have here is a failure to communicate

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    You'd be surprised the percentage of Americans accross paerty lines that would welcome a higher tax rate for the top marginal bracket. Warren with a more nuanced approach is definitely a winning strategy.

    I think we have ptsd from the last election which makes us believe that Trump has a high probability of winning again and only a status quo centrist can upend him.

    1. He barely won across a few Swing States with a total vote difference of around 70000 votes which would have swung the electoral college towards Hillary

    2. Hillary was a status quo centrist who's policy desires mimick Schultz.
     
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  8. dmoneybangbang

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    Hillary Clinton the person was the issue, not her policies.

    What makes me wary of more progressive candidates is that it energizes the right (silent majority) like Warren would. I think Warren is DOA for a presidential candidate. I don’t dispute that there’s some support across the aisle but I don’t think it’s enough.
     
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    so they ID the ahole who had the outburst?
     
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    when did he said he's smarter than everyone else?
     
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    what's wrong with being Indy party?
     
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    I am torn on this one. I am usually a multiple party guy. The more parties we have the more chance for compromise. In this situation, I could wait 2 more years for an Indy candidate. I would love to see this guy in the primaries. Honestly, if he has the support he would be a good centrist candidate that could siphon off more votes from Donald Trump. That's a big advantage. Forrest from the trees DNC forest from the trees. Same could be said about him though. Get over yourself Howard and put yourself out there, competition won't kill you.
     
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    In the context I was speaking of, it would take votes away from Dems in their battle against Trump. I suppose if you support Trump, you would be happy to have an independent (who leans more left than right) run.

    I wish independents would actually build a meaningful party, but that would require of building a coalition from the municipal/state level then outwards. The Green Party and Libertarian wield very little power.
     
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    In the context I was speaking of, it would take votes away from Dems in their battle against Trump. I suppose if you support Trump, you would be happy to have an independent (who leans more left than right) run.

    I wish independents would actually build a meaningful party, but that would require of building a coalition from the municipal/state level then outwards. The Green Party and Libertarian wield very little power.
     
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    pretty good job. LOL
     
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    Michigan Polling this week:

    Complete, old school establishment centrist - Biden 53 - Trump 41
    Cranky anti-estabilshment Democratic Socialist - Sanders 52- Trump 42

    Both poles of the party are identically polling to pole-arm Trump.

    Redistributive policies are popular.
     
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    All the more reason for him to run.
     
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    Do I even wanna know...:eek:
     
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    Free stuff is always popular. You will always find a lot of people on board with taking money from other people to benefit themselves. It is the tyranny of the majority.
     
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    Steven Hayward "Regarding Schultz":

    There are a few moving parts here to consider. First, it is a sign of how insane the Democratic Party is that Schultz, a standard issue liberal up to this point, has zero chance of getting the Democratic nomination. Hence he clearly understands his only chance is as an independent. But even if he can’t win, he might pull the Democratic nominee, whoever z/he is, toward the center. This might seem to risk losing progressive voters, but I’m guessing not much: the progressive left that is agitating for full socialism hates Trump so much that they’ll likely turn out no matter how weak they think the Democratic nominee is.

    It is worth noting further just why Schultz is so unacceptable to today’s Democratic Party, with his plain and sensible talk about the debt, deficits, and the fantasy of Medicare-for-All. (By the way, how come nobody ever advocates Medicaid-for-All? Someone ought to ask. . .) Hang around a college campus as I do (so that you don’t have to), you soon discover that the au courant left doesn’t just hate Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, and the ideas of Milton Friedman and Friedrich Hayek—they also hate Bill Clinton and Tony Blair. Say what?

    Right now if there’s anything worse than being a racist or a bigot, it’s being a neoliberal. “Neoliberalism” is essentially the new epithet of the Left for what we used to just call “Capitalism,” though the critique is adorned with lots of bells and whistles to disguise this simple fact. And it is the sin of Clinton and Blair is that they were “neoliberals,” too accepting of the logic and policies of freer markets and sound monetary and fiscal policy. (They thought Hillary Clinton was also too neoliberal for their tastes.)​

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/01/regarding-schultz.php
     

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