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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Jan 28, 2019.

  1. SamFisher

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    I think he honestly thought this was a good idea. These guys live in delusional bubbles and are surrounded by syncophants.
     
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  2. Nook

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    At least we know where glynch spent his weekend.
     
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  3. Rocketman1981

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    Having wealth or earnings is a reflection of your success in the field you chose. Its not money, but a reflection of the ability to succeed in an environment.

    But we could always have a Bus Driver like Maduro in Venezuela and it'll all work out.

    Government in America was supposed to be quite limited with few career and even full time politicians. For most it was a part time duty and not a profession or career.

    But these government agencies like any bureaucracy are a virus that grows and grows and so today its an intertwined animal with huge departments and responsibilities and millions of employees. Someone without experience managing people is just swallowed up by the system and the system ends up running him which is what happens to most senators who haven't done much but give speeches and raise money and then they become president and the system takes over giving them an A/B/C choice on matters.

    If you don't understand this then understand large organizational behavior.
     
  4. JayGoogle

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    You know, it's not a bad comparison either lol.

    It makes sense that great players SHOULD make great coaches...but they rarely ever do. The best reason as to why this is I've heard is that great players tend to see things a bit too...simply. For example, Austin Rivers isn't in the wrong spot playing the wrong position...he just needs to play better. That's all. We had that from McHale a lot...just that the players needed to play better. Nothing else. Because in the mind of a great player it is as simple as "Well if I played better we win." but a coach that doesn't have that POV comes from a place of maximizing their strengths and hiding their weaknesses. Which is really, when it comes down to it, what a great coach does. They highlight each players strengths and try to hide their weaknesses. A big reason the switch defense works so well because it does hide Harden's inability to stay in front of people sometimes...but let me stop before this post goes to the GARM...

    The idea that a businessman knows how to manage people and put people in the right spots...I get the logic of why someone would then go "Well, this translates..." but it doesn't seem to turn out well unless the business person gets some experience in governing first.

    Governing is a lot different than running a business.
     
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    No. Having money and wealth is a result of lots of things. Luck (you won’t believe this but there is science to back it up. Luck is way undervalued in wealth creation), desire to create wealth, field you choose (make me some wealthy archaeologists ... mind you some of them are VERY good at organizational leadership), temperament, personality, family and on and on.

    Its a potential indicator of capability but also a potential indicator of a disconnect from many Americans.

    For every bus driver comparison you can give there are plenty of people to choose from that we’re wealthy in one field and sucked in others.

    We can certainly point to Trump. Even if you like his persona and policy, he’s clearly been inept at organizational leadership skills and has worried as much about his (and families) pocketbook as much as anything as president. Just is what it is.

    But there are good examples and bad examples both ways.

    Still I strongly suspect the data backs up that very rich people don’t make for better politicians. Just like great nba players don’t typically make for great nba front office folk. Etc etc
     
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    It's probably the best time ever to try and form a 3rd party, the democrats are splitting apart and a bunch could be peeled away there, and while Trump would win again, his administration has done a pretty good job from a management perspective, so the country is fine (secondary to that, is a lot of these democrat candidates do pose genuine economic risks), but when he's gone the republicans have definite fractures that would be exploitable immediately.

    So if he does run, it will be a 2 for 1 show, designed to keep the crazy democrats from winning in 2020, with real plans to win in 2024.
     
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    It's actually probably the worst time ever to form a 3rd party. And he is the worst possible person to form it, filling a niche that nobody wants.

    If you had a racist/nativist who wanted to raise taxes on teh rich - that guy would have a consitutency to peel away from teh Republicans and might get some left votes as well.

    He's the opposite of this.
     
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    When a lot of people talk about how well the economy is doing...they seem to be talking about how corporations are doing and not how people are doing.

    The Middle class continues to get smaller and smaller, I don't think this as a continuing trend is healthy for the country.
     
  9. JuanValdez

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    @Rocketman1981 is taking all this with much more gravity than anyone else here.
     
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    I feel like this is a strong sign that moderates will be distancing themselves from the Dems at this point. If the rabid left keeps putting forward psychos like Kamala who want to get rid of private healthy insurance, you will lose the upper and middle class. You will, de facto. Thus she is walking it back already. But the damage is done. You need a moderate to defeat Trump. The resistance is not a campaign. Howard knows there is a divide in the party and knows he can take votes from both parties as an Independent. There has never been a better time in recent history than now for an independent to run against both major dysfunctional parties. He can suck up large chunks of support from both parties and win this thing.
     
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    I don't think its a fear of moderates. I think its more likely a desire to have all candidates run as Democrats and then the best candidate represents Democrats and not have a third-party candidate siphoning off voters ala Jill Stein in the last election.

    The funny thing... all the trump supporters pretending to like Schultz even though he is obviously a Democrat and has positions that are 180 against trump's. Their only "support"... the possibility he takes votes away from Democrats, since republicans won't vote for him.

    That all said, I have no issue at all with Schultz running. Seems like a really competent guy and one that has a great life story to bring to the discussion. I'd be more interested in hearing specifics (he seems to defer to "bringing in smarter folks than me" to solve problems). That approach works in the business world, but I'd be more interested in hearing what HE would do to make things better for America.
     
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    WSJ editorial echoes the sentiment that Shultz poses a threat to Democrats:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/whos-afraid-of-howard-schultz-11548893911?mod=hp_opin_pos2
     
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    Wait........read?!?!? Aren't you asking an awful lot of our Trump supporters?

    The right is daring Mr Starbucks to run, goading him on. Of course. He'll steal more votes from the left than from the right.
     
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    To put Democrats minds at ease...

    His Republican campaign aide was on with Nicole Wallace yesterday
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    and made it clear that Schultz "will not play the role of spoiler." He clearly said that as this moves along if Schultz doesn't see "multiple paths to 270" he won't be in/stay in the race.
     
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    Schultz himself has said this already. Don't know why anyone was worried. Seems the people most interested were trump supporters.
     
  17. NewRoxFan

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    A silly question to ask any candidate. I understand the idea... candidates should understand what the common voter goes through. But I consider myself a "common voter", and I shop once a week, and I can't tell you what a box of cereal cost. I usually buy whatever is on sale and make decisions relative to other similar products pricing. And then usually forget what I paid. Or sometimes forget even what I bought.

     
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    Aww poor billionaire being bullied by people who think the gradual wealth hording of the top .1% is unsustainable and believe that a marginal tax rate for the top bracket at a rate that existed for 40 years during the peak manufacturing era of this country is reasonable.
     
  19. HTM

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    You couldn't, based on your life experience, surmise a box of cereal costs in the $3 - $5 range?

    The point is to see if they are so affluent and out of touch that they are like Lucille Bluth from Arrested Development.

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    "Gotcha question" for sure. I agree with his consultant that the overtime that the left and anti-Trumpers are putting in to bully him out of the race is amazing. They are treating him like Sarah Palin. Hours of coverage dedicated to harassing him and saying he needs to get out of the race. Quite amazing really.

    He still should have been able to come up with an answer. Saying something like "I don't eat cereal personally, I'm more of an eggs guy" or even adding "Well as you know I'm a coffee and muffin guy from Starbucks where it costs X" as a joke OR even just saying "A few dollars"
     

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