Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

We do not want to elect elitist president like Obama to the white house, we want to elect one of our own, president agent orange!

 

earth to the "trust fund baby" wannabe

the trust fund baby was running against Hillary​

 

Um, ok? I’m not a “Trumpster” nor a “snowflake” - Id appreciate you being more civil if/when you address me. I just shared my relatively mild opinion that it seemed absurd to arrest Stone in the manner he was arrested.

 

That Nixon tat is next level. Gotta say....

 

context is everything

The guy's a Nixon disciple accused of with colluding with state enemies Russia and Wikileaks and arrested on seven criminal counts—including obstruction, lying to Congress, witness tampering, and destroying evidence

so fight, flight, flee isn't that far fetched

 

Alan Dershowitz evaluates the indictment filed by Bob Mueller against Roger Stone today:

 

Again...

Dershowitz is making such an outrageous legal claim here.

 

Basically the Dersh is defending all crimes committed after mueller was appointed, as if they don’t count.

If these guys were innocent why are they all lying so much to people who have the power to put them in jail for it?

 

And if Trump did nothing and is completely innocent, why did he surround himself with people overloaded with Russian connections?

 

If they all work together and nobody breaks they could manage to cover up a crime and Dersh is basically saying they should get a trophy for that instead of being punished for lying

 

Anyone wanting to know Stone better should watch the Netflix documentary "get me Roger Stone" Dude is weird as ****.

 

The amount of corruption and criminal activity is astounding. No matter what is proven about Trump at this point, that should erode any support he has. Yet, for some reason people are going out of their way to excuse it all and make all of the dishonesty, criminal activity, corruption okay. It's kind of disgusting that people would do that.

 

Yes, context is everything. The context of 66 year old man being charged with non-violent offenses probably doesn't need a SWAT team and a pre-dawn raid to arrest him. This idea that he would "fight or flee" if say, two FBI agents in windbreakers were to arrest him is preposterous. Like, you're positing Roger Stone would have killed two federal agents and fled to Russia? I mean.. geez.

He was also released on bail like 4 hours later..

"A federal magistrate judge on Friday ruled that longtime GOP operative and President Trump associate Roger Stone is not a flight risk and can be released on a $250,000 signature bond.

NBC News reported that the judge determined during Stone’s first appearance in federal court after his arrest Friday morning that he could be released.

CNN reported that Stone told the judge that he does not have a current passport, as his is expired. He will also not have to pay any money as part of the bond, as long as he appears during all upcoming court proceedings."

https://thehill.com/policy/national...rders-roger-stone-to-be-released-on-250k-bond

Yup.. this guy totally needed a SWAT team and pre-dawn raid.

 

LOL where in my post did I say he would have killed 2 feds?

and you know these guys have standard policies and procedures right

at least 2 agents are sent to question witnesses.. at least 4 agents are sent to question suspects

so at the minimum 6 agents by standard policies and procedures should have been send based on the number and gravity of charges

I mean you are sounding truly like a snowflake. did stone get hurt or harmed or his rights compromised? did they slam him to the ground or bang his head while putting him in the car?

 

You were the one who said he would “fight or flee”... then when I actually detail what that would mean you take umbridge with how I describe what that would actually mean? You’re the one who posited it.

Again with the ad hominem “snow flake” please address me civilly or not at all. Just make your point and be civil about it.

I think the tactics and force used to arrest Stone was over the top. The only point I’ve made in this thread and people like you are trying to defend the tactics and force used. You’ve failed to do so. The guy is 66, has limited or no history of violence, and is charged with non-violent offenses. Nothing indicates a pre-dawn raid and SWAT team were necessary. He was then released on bail shortly after his arrest because it was obvious he was no danger to the community and not a flight risk.

 

But you agree that atleast 2 agents are sent to question witnesses right

 

What exactly are you basing this on? Could you detail your experience serving federal arrest warrants?

 

Oh you need to have worked in federal law enforcement and to have served arrest warrants to have an opinion on this subject? I’ll keep that in mind when you give your opinion on anything and we can discuss your credentials to do so.

 

Idk I’m not terribly familiar with that protocol.

That would seem reasonable though for interrogation tactic purposes and for safety reasons.

Like I said earlier, I think two agents in FBI windbreakers with their sidearms would have been totally adequate to take Stone into custody.

I think the pre-dawn raid/SWAT was over the top given the context.

 

I'm guessing you have very little idea of what to base too much or not force on.

For instance, can you explain to me why they chose to do it so early? Did they just want to screw up Roger Stone's sleep, just to stick it to him a little more?

It reminds me of all the people after 9/11 who said, "A building hit by a jet plane wouldn't fall down like that!"

Really? How many buildings have you seen hit by jets that you can tell me what it "normally" looks like?

I try to keep in mind what I am qualified to comment on. Feel free to call me out if you think I'm speaking on something that I don't know about.

I know, for instance, that they always go in early in the morning to wake them up if they can because when sleepy they are disoriented and often much less likely to resist. I also know that if they think there is the slightest chance that someone might resist they come with such overwhelming force that any body would plainly look at the situation and conclude resistance would be suicidal, because the lives of FBI agents are more important than offending the criminal. Also, overwhelming force prevents them from thinking about destroying evidence. Ridiculous overwhelming force is a feature, not a bug. It's intended to keep everybody safe. It isn't an insult or personal slight. I also know, if they are unsure, more force is always better than less. Again for everybody's safety. I also know there is reasonably well defined doctrine behind the whole thing. They don't just pick a random number of agents to bring and sketch the situation out on their palm like playing backyard touch football.

I guess maybe if I thought it seemed excessive I might seek clarification in voicing my opinion, but maybe not.

But you know, if it looks like too much for you, then I guess that all the info you need.