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Trump Youth Taunt Native American Elder

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Jan 19, 2019.

  1. HTM

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    When I was in HS/college, it was common for schools to have sporting events and there would be a "Green out" or "white out" (my HS colors) and usually you had some folks spray paint themselves green. At the college, level I feel like whenever I'm watching football on TV I see some student spray painted in their university colors.

    I can't say if I've ever seen black used but thinking about it, in that context, I don't think its fair to read racism into it.

    That is to say, I think there is a difference between spray painting your face black in the context of a "black out" for sports and the use of "blackface" in the more racially charged way.

    (*understanding that white people shouldn't do blackface and it's history*)

    (*just google imaged Purdue football fans and found a number photographs of folks doing it*)
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    IMO that whole thing was just people grasping at straws once the narrative fell apart and the ordeal was exposed to be nothing but fake news. There are people who want to hold on to the narrative even after it falls apart and usually they go in the "even if what they did THIS time wasn't wrong, they are still racist" direction.

    Basically if they can't bash the children they'll have to admit they were simply duped by fake news pushed by leftist activists yet again so soon after they were duped by fake news pushed by leftist activists when it comes to the BuzzFeed story.

    There's nothing wrong with being duped by fake news when you own up to it, hell I was duped by it in this instance just like they were, the only difference is that when the evidence came out debunking the story I changed my opinion while they doubled down.
     
  3. TheresTheDagger

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    While I think it's foolish to attempt to bet on such a thing I would simply add the following:

     
  4. Bobbythegreat

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    Makes me wonder how many CF posters might be on that list....
     
  5. Rashmon

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    Very fine people, on both sides, right?
     
  6. Bobbythegreat

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    In this instance, no. There were very fine people among the kids waiting for their bus but those verbally attacking them with racist rhetoric and then going on to lie about it and use dehumanizing rhetoric to describe the children....there wasn't even one "very fine person" among those 2 groups.
     
  7. dachuda86

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    Wait so have some people never been to college sporting event ?
     
  8. sammy

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    Baylor has done black outs since the Briles era. I don't think anyone actually paints themselves lol.. black clothes will suffice. The memo on this stuff went out a while ago.
     
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  10. Bobbythegreat

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    No, they are just trying to defend an indefensible position due to tribalism so they are grasping at straws forced to support racist groups one of which being a well known hate group due to that tribalism. You should pity these sub-human individuals.
     
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    Of course I'm not reading racism into these kids painting themselves black at a "black out" basketball game. I'm pointing out the lack of awareness that bubble high schools like the one I went to have that would lead them to lack that LIGHT BULB that would go off in the heads of normal de-segregated white people who would actually think about it before they painted themselves black for whatever reason no matter how innocent.

    I'm not even necessarily giving an overwhelming condemnation of THIS particular high school, these particular kids, and especially these particular PARENTS who raise their kids in this bubble... I'm merely showing my point of view based on my experience moving to a town like this in the Houston area in high school & seeing how this type of high school boy culture could exist.

    Yes... its obvious there is a difference in painting yourself black for a sports "black out" event, and flat out blackface where you paint yourself black to mock African Americans. Nobody is saying (at least I hope they aren't) that these kids were purposefully doing so at a local bball game. Just pointing out the tone deaf bubble culture and the lack of parental/school leadership oversight to not pull those boys aside at either event and say...

    "You look like a damn fool"

    Or pull them aside during the chant at the Lincoln memorial and say

    "you idiots are being video recorded. Put your shirt on, get on the damn bus and lets go to chili's."
     
  12. DaDakota

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    Regardless of the circumstances the kids mocking the native American with war cries.....was reprehensible.

    DD
     
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  13. IVFL

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    Man, it is interesting to watch this all play out. People can't see beyond their face on this. What is crazy is that all the video evidence in the world will not change someone's perception of what happened. I still stand by what I took away from it. It's still the situation I thought it was. Two groups were going at one another the native American group tries to step between them and the rest is history. Trevor Noah summed it up well.

    Ultimately what I have seen is a lack of understanding of different cultures. You can not deny that the students were making a tomahawk chop which is disrespectful toward Native Peoples. If you are trying to justify that your bias is showing. Now, they are kids and they may not understand that, but I kinda doubt it. This just shows the bias that we all have. Some have problems seeing the other side and assume they are always the smartest person in the room. I love the quote "Being the smartest person in the room is the dumbest thing you can do". Now I am sure there are some here that will look at that quote and think of someone else if you did that read it again.

     
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  14. BruceAndre

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    I'm not. Every time some one says this, I ask for evidence, and the response is usually some link. The few times I have checked out these links it's usually CNN or some other leftist/MSM spinmeister.

    That's said, I'll check out your link when I can.
     
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    This is dumb. My mom wouldn’t shut up about this story today.

    Kentucky sucks.
    This story sucks.
    Skrillex sucks
     
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  16. BruceAndre

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    Wow, this is more than a bit off the rails.

    I'm not sure I agree with calling what happened to the Native Americans as genocide. Was it often deplorable? Yes. But my point was that the native tribes were hardly peaceful. They warred with each other, and often attacked Euro immigrants very harshly, thus inviting reprisals.

    Moreover, I've heard some observers cast doubt on the whole "Jackson gave the Indians blankets with small pox" story -- most notably, that germ theory wasn't even known then. But certainly, Jackson treated the Indians harshly. Whether that harsh treatment was merited or not is another debate.

    But if this story is fabricated leftist spin, how many other similar stories are too?

    Heh. "Stealing their land." So would you rather live in a nation that looks like Indian reservations did then, or now? I'm guessing not.
     
  17. Os Trigonum

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    I didn't hear the war cries.
     
  18. Ottomaton

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    I'm still trying to get you to tell me what this means for why we killed most of them off, rounded up the survivors and stashed them on reservations. What are you trying to say this means? Why is this relevant? What would be different if they were the peace loving hippies you feel the need to clarify they aren't.

    BTW, I've never met anybody who thought they were saintly pacificists. I dont understand why you feel the need to make sure I know this like is is some sort of shocking news flash.
     
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  19. Ottomaton

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    Btw, during Black Death in the 1300, Mongols didnt know what germ theory was but they still knew enough to know that catapulting plague bodies over the walls of cities would cause a plague outbreak.

    Plague doctors didnt know germ theory but knew enough to know that covering yourself from head to foot in a leather plague doctors uniform and covering your face with a leather plague mask kept you from getting sick, even if they believed they were protecting themself from malign vapors rather than bacteria.

    If that is the best you have you dont have much. Whomever these observers are, they aren't medical historians.
     
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  20. BruceAndre

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    Ugh. I don't have time to revisit the entirety of US history WRT native Americans.

    Then you have been more fortunate than I have. I've heard plenty of this type of spin, and I guess I thought you were putting it forth as well.

    And you still didn't answer my question about whether you would want to live in a North American nation in which the Euros never came over.

    The two societies/cultures were largely incompatible, and no side acted "saintly." But I really don't wish to re-hash all this, since it could take several days, and I'm guessing neither of us would convince the other.
     

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